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Comments:
<0> lupine: if we had no school shootings through the 90s, yes, you might have a claim.
<1> Or "collisions"
<2> P_O: no.. given how it occurs SO DAMN OFFER story after story..
<3> Lupine you have a problem disaccoiating (sp?) "accident" with "responsible"
<1> Lupine, so?
<0> lupine: furthermore, "accidental" gun deaths do happen. here: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/111/4/741 (albiet 4 per year in miami)
<2> P_) i do not call them 'accidents' as I refuse to whore out my standards of personal responsibility, and the consequences of deliberate choices in life.
<4> 4 per year in Miami and that's proof?
<3> Lupine because you are confused as to what "responsibility" is
<3> :)
<1> It has no effect on people like my self who just read it instead of analysing the head of an article.
<4> ****. more people die of less threatening ****
<0> tweek: yes, it's proof that gun's can result in accidental deaths.
<1> I don't now think that guns are evil cause you pasted that.
<5> Cool, my 8.5 Gig DVDs came in today.
<2> renea: eh? that doesn't say anything about a gun accidently firing
<4> FreeTrade: dual layer blanks?
<0> lupine: neither does your AP article
<3> <2> P_) i do not call them 'accidents' as I refuse to whore out my standards of personal responsibility, and the consequences of deliberate choices in life. <--- for the 5th time, somethng being an ACCIDENT has *NO* bearing on the party's responsibility!!
<2> renea: No, if someone pulls the trigger accidently, and it fires.. that is not the gun firing accidently
<3> NONE
<4> those sell for like $20 per 3-pack in most department stores
<3> zip
<3> ziltch
<3> zero
<3> nadda
<3> nothing
<3> :)
<6> UNLESS THE GUN IS MADE FROM INFERIOR MATERIAL IT WILL NOT ACCIDENTIALLY GO OFF\
<2> kobushi: now look, YOUR sense of perosnal resposibility maybe whored out as if you were gangbanged by the entire japanese army.. but not mine
<1> CAPS MAKE EVERYONE SMARTER.
<6> OR UNLESS THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY HAS BEEN DEGREGATED
<5> I can back up about 250 gigs on 25 dvds
<3> Lupine you are incorrectly ***uming that accidents mean no responsibility, or even diminished responsibility
<2> renea: again, the KID may have accidently fired the gun..
<3> but that isn't the case
<6> degradated even
<6> P_O: liberals only understand caps.....
<0> lupine: ergo, accidental shooting
<4> FreeTrade: you'd be better off getting a 250gb or 400gb hard drive, or even a RAID.
<1> ^rcane, dream on.
<2> kobushi: no, you are incorrectly ***uming that because you have the moral standards of a societal slut.. doesn't mean I have to whore out mine to match yours
<6> P_O: only way to get through to them is to yell
<2> renea: right.. but the gun did not accidently go off. it performed exactly as designed
<5> I have a 400 gig Hard drive and a 250 gig.
<4> especially considering how much 25 DL discs might cost
<0> lupine: most americans realize guns go off when the trigger is pulled. this is a fact.
<6> I am an engineer
<3> Lupine ad homs don't make your argument more reasonable, nor do the contridict mine; which clearly you can't cunter
<3> counter*
<4> *also* considering that DVDs don't last long typically
<6> guns will not just go off on their own....
<5> They arent that expensive..
<3> therfor, I win :P
<3> "First to ad hom loses!"
<3> w00t
<4> shelf life of a burned optical disc is like ridiculously low
<2> renea: eh? explain chuck schumers rant about ***ault weapons going on rampages killing women and children?
<0> lupine: thus, you do not need to explain that basic fact.
<4> Lupine: was it in the report?
<5> Someimes you might have a movie that you just cant squeeze with decent quality onto a 4.6 dvd so you use a 8.5
<6> P_O: true... they only understand ad homs :)
<2> renea: well golly.. yet another person whoring out their expectations of the media
<4> and not preceeded by 'I may be editorializing here (and therefore I can be fired for this), but...'
<6> Lupine: lol, does anyone even take chuck seriously?
<0> lupine: no, just another person with brain and not paranoid about the "liberal media"
<2> rcane: unfortunately..
<3> Lupine so, yu honestly think that if something is an "accident" that it makes the person who caused the accident less responsible?
<5> I am putting one end just to check it.
<3> Lupine by your argment, accidents don't exist.
<2> pilgrim: what do you see wrong with this statement: A gun brought to a day care center by an 8-year-old boy accidentally went off Tuesday, wounding a 7-year-old girl in the arm, police said.
<6> FreeTrade: ft, you dl movies? *GASP*
<5> Takes a lot longer to burn a dvd dl though
<4> FreeTrade: yeah, my mom typically uses DL discs to avoid having to reencode
<2> kob: not at all.
<5> rcane, No I dont download them, I rent them or PPV or see them on TV
<7> accidentally. the gun obviously hated that girl
<2> because you are right, accidents derive on intent. a drunk driver intends to drive drunk.
<3> Lupine yet that is exactly your claim! You claimed that it being an "accident" reduces responsibility
<5> bbiab :)
<6> then how do they wind up encoded as data on your comp? :)
<4> FreeTrade: but *gasp* aren't you worried about the MPAA?
<2> pil: right :-) kobushi/renea have no problem with that.
<8> Lupine: it treats the gun as an autonomous entity with its own volition
<1> tweek, lol
<2> in fact, any modern firearm has to be ****ed up to just accidently fire on its own
<0> lupine: you're right, tomorrow everyone will think guns can shoot people at will.
<2> panini: right.. aka the liberal mantra that guns are "evil" and have a life of their own
<3> pilgrim` no, I just hav enough sense t read an article and understand that the kid fired the gun but wasn't intendint to shoot the gun.
<8> Lupine: yes, much like SUVs
<2> kob: *YOU* have enough sense.. but a hell of alot of americans do not.
<3> but, not enough sense to replace my keyboard batteries :(
<7> "the gun went off" is that dues to some Heisenburg uncertainty principle surounding the quanta filed of this "gun"?
<2> pil: hahahaha..
<8> your keyboard has batteries?
<0> the kid was playing with the gun, and did not mean to shoot the girl. plain and simple. perhaps he dropped the gun. it was an accident. you're neglicting to take into context the meaning of "school shootings."
<7> field
<3> panini yeah, wireless
<2> renea: then the kid fired the gun accidently
<1> Lupine, are you really saying that a lot of americans are stupid enough to think that guns have their own will just cause they read a stub of an article?
<9> Guns don't fire from being dropped anymore.
<8> ah... is it the media center crap keyboard?
<2> oh, btw.. a gun wont fire if you drop it, unless you have seriously ****ed it up. In fact, it is one of the standard tests of the design
<7> exactly
<0> glock21: we don't know the model of gun.
<9> It isn't a six shooter from the 1800's ffs.
<3> panini no
<2> P_O: oh absolutely, society is reflected in who they elect
<2> glock: and even THEN, it would fire because of either user error [ hammer down on a loaded chamber ], or mechanical failure of the gun
<1> Lupine, then it'd be a minority of people who'd think that.
<3> panini it's a "wireless comfort keyboard"
<2> I wish they made wireless mechanical keyboards, like the old IBMs :(
<9> Guns that fire when dropped: Antiques and Hollywood
<7> anyone know what the "Ruger Paragraph" is?
<2> glock: right, but the media loves to act like a gun is itself its own entity.. and it is dangerious, etc..
<2> pil: yea, that stupid stamping/roll mark on guns
<9> Lupine... I love it when cops say their Glocks 'just went off'
<9> And people believe that bull****.
<2> glock: lol. could a male rapist use that as a defense? my canon just went off?
<7> a lawyer was siting int he back seat of a car picking up a loaded Rugeroepning action, closing action and clicking the trigger. after about 6 times it went off and killed the driver. of course the lawyer who WAS RESPONSIBLE knew what to do: Sue Ruger
<10> canon?
<0> lupine: you've p***ed beyond the realm of reality and into la-la-land. change the subject.
<2> renea: right.. "la la land" being guns are tools, and not concious entities.. they dont get up and go killing women and children on their own
<0> lupine: bad word choice and sentence structure, maybe. liberal attack on gun rights, no.
<2> renea: and yet, it occurs TIME and TIME again.. why is that?
<6> Renea: lol
<9> Saying your Glock 'just went off' is the same thing as saying: 'the firing pin magically pierced through a block of steel and hit the primer of the bullet and then went back through the block of steel without causing any damage to the pin or the block of steel... oh and matter occupying the same space... that happened.'
<6> liberals have no understanding of the english language
<0> lupine: the article did not say that, nor did it imply that by any rational persons definition.
<8> hmm $2 mil is considered the cheapest of the luxury houses. anything less than that is just a peasant house
<7> Lupine has a point; a professor of chenistry int he south was brought before a judge for pocession of materials for moonshinign. His defense: "Yer honor I also pocess all the equipment to commit rape but don't paln on doint hat too"
<7> chemistry
<2> pilgrim: ahhahaa
<8> lol
<6> lol pilgrim
<6> pilgrim`: did he win?
<2> renea: it also belies the shere ignorance of the reporter on firearms.. of course, they neither get educated, nor not write about it.
<0> lupine: btw, i am pro gun as well.
<7> rcane of course not. he was up against lawyers
<0> lupine: there is no anti-gun conspiracy, and if they do outlaw guns, they're not getting my diamondback or my brothers and fathers guns.
<7> truth has no business in court
<0> lupine: furthermore, we could parse any statement ever made and criticize it. i just think you're off-the-mark on this one. still, it's your right to think what you want and thank god for that.
<2> renea: again, it is the same "mistake" made, over and over and over.
<9> There's no right to free thought.
<9> Free speech sure... but no free thought!
<0> glock21: actually the court has determined it is free expression
<2> pilgrim: I knew a guy who collected those ornate bongs/pipes etc.. he didn't do drugs at all, not even wine.. he just liked the artistic value of the pipes.etc.. man, if he ever got pulled over
<0> glock21: and since free thought is not prohibited, it is allowed.
<9> Renea... we'll see if you feel the same way after your re-education.
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