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<0> tweek: TheTailor is one of them :-P
<1> 9/11 was caused by a lot of things
<2> Let me educate you as to what more troops would do.
<3> or politicians that insist that Iraq was done on the premise of disposing of a dictator
<4> Only nazis would enforce ceasefire agreements?
<4> WOW!
<5> TheTailor: Okay, let's ***ume a number of things: Saddam had weapons, used them on innocent civilians.
<4> C'mon now.
<5> TheTailor: Now let's cut out the dates.
<6> Armon,striking deep in the heart of the middle east and helping a democracy grow will change the middle east, it had to be done.
<0> there were people in here, a few OPs include, saying "Just wait 'til they find the WMDs" when this whole mess started
<3> ... it was done because Iraq deserved it :)
<0> funny how they're still not on that
<3> end it at that and kindly shut the **** UP
<4> Let's not do the ad hominem du nazi so quickly and loosely.
<6> Armon, and remember, we couldn't count on Iceland to do anything about the situatiuon :-)
<5> TheFriend: And then let's go back to... say... the greatest instant m*** murder in the history of mankind... the United States putting about 200.000 innocent Japanese to death by nuclear force.
<7> l0c0- i am still on it. too bad you've given up lol
<5> TheTailor: We can't count on anyone with private interests to ensure world peace EITHER.
<4> Hitler was a vegetarian... doesn't make vegans super nazis ffs.
<3> Armon: I'm not sure whether it was necessary.
<5> TheTailor: I'm not saying Iceland should be in control. I'm just saying, the US shouldn't be either.
<3> Glock21: ****, really?
<5> tweek: It is clear as day that it wasn't necessary, and even if it was, it's still 200K people.
<4> Enforcing ceasefire agreements ain't copyrighted by the third reich.
<0> godfist: i never believed there were m***ive stockpiles of wmds
<2> A) ity would provide a lot more targets to kill, B) It would make foreignors feel that they were being invaded by americans (We were not at was with pakistan), They would resent the large american prescense. Thast why the special forces who are specially trained in survival and terrain, are their with beards and moustaches dressed in local garb to keep a low profile, and finally :
<6> Armon, well 'we', the USA, can't count on anyone, we have to make the move when at risk.
<5> tweek: Justify that without justifying what Saddam did to the Kurds, is ludicrous.
<2> M***ive americans would force them to flee to another area.
<6> Armon, you just sit by and reep the benifits.
<3> that makes PETA's comparison of slaughterhouses to Nazi concentration camps even more hilarious
<5> TheTailor: No, you have to sit tight until the UN approves that you stop sitting tight.
<3> if it's true
<1> im not saying more troops is a good or a bad idea but you can see where theyre coming from when they want more troops its not a fault to want more troops when you think it will help
<2> hence militarily it would be a horrendous mistake.
<5> TheTailor: Anything else is no different from nazism, self-approved government over other sovereign nations.
<0> going into iraq was stirring a hornets nest
<6> Armon, we don't take orders from a pack of despots.
<0> this nation is in more danger now than before
<6> Armon, move the UN to Iceland.
<2> L0c0, Objectivel you are wrong.
<5> TheTailor: That's the point! You don't take orders from anyone!
<1> if you ask me going into iraq wasnt that bad
<2> Not subjectively, You could be right,.
<8> i second the move of the UN to another place
<5> And if the US doesn't like the rules, it simply breaks them!
<2> But Objectively you are wrong.
<9> Oh good gravy why should any nation submit to the will of the UN when its own best interests are to ignore it
<0> and of course, that increased danger is now being used as justification for an ever expanding government
<1> i mean it was getting pretty bad what with the attacks on us soil
<5> On very typical grounds, "Saddam is bad", "Saddam is bad", and "Saddam is bad".
<4> Armon... you do know that enforcing the agreement, even with military force, has been US policy since 1991, yes? It didn't start with George W. Bush.
<1> at least now the attacks or are on troops on foreign soil
<10> L0c0: wrongo, the nest regionally was already stirred
<5> It's the exact same argument Hitler used.
<1> no civilians at home
<0> regionally
<5> German interests, German leading the path of the world for the freedom... of course, for the German people.
<2> we have gone the longest without a al queda serious hit than we have since they formed. and particularly since the African emb***y attacks
<0> in a region we are nowhere near
<5> Not... "the bunch of despots".
<3> Armon: the Pacific front needed a quick end. we gave them one. whether or not it was necessary is debatable, but war isn't exactly easy on either side.
<10> Armon: just because Nazis went to the restroom sometimes doesn't mean going to the restroom is therefore bad.
<0> if not for oil, the US would have no interest in the middle east
<5> Glock21: I know. It started with George HERBERT Walker Bush.
<4> Armon... you do know that enforcing the agreement, even with military force, has been US policy since 1991, and continued throughout the Clinton Admin and continued further into the Bush Admin.
<5> Glock21: An equal international maniac.
<3> Glock21: i've gotta know though. was Hitler a vegetarian?
<4> It started as a repub thing approved by a dem congress...
<10> Nazis used paper and pens to write things down, so I can't do any homework, it'd make me JUST LIKE THEM
<5> Glock21: Oh, yeah.
<9> Armon: So you think Hitler was out to liberate 20 million people and give them the ability to vote their own elected politicians into power?
<5> I'm not defending Bush.
<3> ... 'Green Nazis'... ****.
<4> Was continued by a dem prez with a dem congress...
<4> Was continued by a dem prez and a repub congress...
<4> and was continued still by a repub prez and a repub congress...
<5> Fallouuut: No, he was out to liberate 20 million people from the reign of international bankers, or Jews.
<0> why do you think little has been done to stop or quell the "genocide" some african nations? why no calls for regime change there?
<5> Fallouuut: It's just as justifiable (that is, NOT justifiable).
<11> Hitler proclaimed to be a vegetarian but did not follow it always.
<3> hahah, that's funny as ****
<6> Armon, remember this, when it comes to the world, we ARE the law.
<5> Exdeath: WHAT THE HELL, has that got to do with ANYTHING?
<10> Armon: no, he actually wasn't
<11> Someone asked
<9> Armon: So you think the Jews are comparable to Saddam, if your comparison is to have any validity
<3> Armon: I asked, because it's funny as ****.
<5> TheTailor: Read some nazi books... I'm sure you'll find them... justified.
<10> he was out to impose an Aryan vision of Europe under German rule.
<2> l0c0 message
<6> Armon, and yes, I was trolling when I said that ;-)
<5> Fallouuut: No, obviously not, and it baffles me to say that you could possibly think that I thought that.
<5> TheTailor: ;) Well, okay.
<9> Armon: It baffles me you don't understand that Saddam is, in fact, evil
<5> TheTailor: Thank God. ;)
<9> And that he did, in fact, slaughter millions of people
<5> Compared to some peoples' views on American superiority, it wouldn't supprise me that you were serious.
<9> And that he did, in fact, have rape and torture rooms on a wide scale
<1> its funny cause some crazed quebeccers elected their version of howard stern as an independdant
<4> Enforcing ceasefire agreements has ZERO to be with NAZISM.
<4> Christ almighty.
<9> The Jews, as you know, did not
<5> Fallouuut: I understand that. But that does not justify an invasion on a sovereign state!
<4> be->do
<6> Armon, but the fact is, you can't let countries like Lybia take care of the terrorism problem, Cuba won't solve it, nor will 90 of the countries in the UN, individually or collectively.
<4> sovereign state that signed a ceasefire agreement that it violated
<4> d'oh
<4> Leaving out those pesky details again.
<5> Fallouuut: I'm not defending Saddam. I'm pointing out that some of *us* (the predominantly white, westerners of European descent) are just no better.
<9> Armon: You probably didn't know that many Iraqis were asking the US to invade
<6> 90% that is
<9> Sovereign my eye
<9> it was Saddam's playground
<4> I'd probably think I was right a lot more if I ignored all those pesky things that make me wrong.
<9> not the Iraqi's country
<5> TheTailor: Neither will the US, if it doesn't serve its interests.
<12> Um.. as crazy and sadistic as Sadam was, shouldn't they have hauled his *** to the Hague.?
<9> the Iraqis HAD NO country
<9> that's what you don't get
<5> Fallouuut: I knew that, actually, yes.
<6> Armon, well lucky for the world it does serve our interests.
<5> Fallouuut: I believe you get the death penalty in the US for saying that.
<5> Fallouuut: For high treason.
<9> For saying what?
<5> TheTailor: So we, the rest of the world, should just wait and pray that you don't mess up?
<5> TheTailor: That may sound awfully nice when you're American, but the rest of us... it's just scary.
<6> Armon, you could get involved.
<5> WW3-scary.
<4> The rest of the world ain't impotent.
<9> What did I say that earns me the death penalty?
<4> They can step up and say NO, we will not allow this!
<5> TheTailor: I am involved. This discussion, in a democratic society, is involvement.
<6> Armon, yes, it's scary, so you won't act. The fact that it's 'scary' doesn't bother us.
<5> Fallouuut: If you begged Iraq to invade America? ;)
<4> We depend on the rest of the world economically... they can easily hurt us economically if they think we absolutely must be stopped.
<6> Armon, you know I mean your country being involved.
<2> Armon, What are you afraid of ?
<9> Armon: So apparently you don't read very closely
<5> TheTailor: Of course it doesn't. That's like justifying Nazism because you're Aryan anyway.
<9> <9> Armon: You probably didn't know that many Iraqis were asking the US to invade
<5> FreeTrade: World... War... Three.
<4> ffs... get off the nazism crap
<6> Armon, that isn't even close to what is at hand today.
<4> Nazi nazi nazi... we're not talking about ANYTHING related to nazism.
<5> Fallouuut: I know that and I don't oppose that. It just doesn't justify invasion.
<2> American power ?Since the end of the 19th century we have never used our power for anything but arguably good, We have never attacked a democracy.
<5> Glock21: GUESS AGAIN!
<2> We have mostly defended people.
<5> Glock21: The justifications for the invasion of Iraq, were *the exact same* as are always used, including with Hitlr.
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