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<0> and there's nothing you can do about it
<1> Canada is sort of like Rosie O'donnel, fat gay and doesn't like guns, America is like Rosie O'Donnels Body guard...that does carry a gun
<1> It's easy to be an unarmed loudmouth antigun liberal bitch when you have a 200 lb bodygaurd with a gun backing you up
<2> Is herz up yet whats up in Canada ?
<3> It's easy to be an unarmed loudmouth gun control advocate considering the number of deaths caused by people with guns.
<1> Conservatives win
<2> yeah I figured that but how close to a majority
<1> Africa doesn't need gun control, they just cut your head off with machettes
<4> rond: you can only regulate parenting to the extent abuses are criminally actionable, really
<3> Gun control advocates aren't typically rich like most of their spokespeople.
<4> but that's only a bandaid, at best
<4> the issues are large and widespread and not simple or easy, but building healthy communities which encourage and practice good values are the only real solution
<3> Most gun control advocates can't afford a bodyguard either... and often live in dangerous areas where most pro-gun types would want their concealed carry.
<1> I guess Gun control would be a good thing, now we can break into homes and not worry about getting shot, old ladies can rest ***ured that they can stop an intruder with her cane...make the playing field even
<1> ;)
<1> not
<3> Most pro-gun types live in safer, rural areas, and smaller towns and cities.
<4> right
<4> and I grew up in and still live near 2 large cities, so the nature of the problems there are as I've described, hence my outlook and views
<1> wonder why it's safer
<1> LOL
<1> Mayube because everyone has a gun!!
<1> LOL
<4> because large #s of poor people don't live in tight proximity in rural areas
<3> Well, the cities were more dangerous before gun control, and after.
<4> no, that's not why
<3> So the gun control really didn't change the fact that rural is safer and cities are more dangerous.
<4> only an idiot who doesn't understand urban areas would think so.
<0> haha
<1> so black people cause more crimes is what you are saying?
<4> no, blacks aren't the only residents of cities.
<3> You live out in the boonies and it really doesn't matter if you have a gun... it's unlikely you'll ever have to worry about being mugged.
<1> rural areas of Africa without guns aren't very safe
<4> but blacks do tend to commit more crimes per unit population, and that's largely because of socioeconomic reasons
<2> Harper is PM !!!
<2> Harper has said he would reconsider a U.S. missile defense scheme rejected by the current Liberal government of Prime Minister Paul Martin. He also said he wanted to move beyond the Kyoto debate by establishing different environmental controls, spend more on the Canadian military, expand its peacekeeping missions in Afghanistan and Haiti and tighten security along the border with the United States
<2> in an effort to prevent terrorists and guns from crossing the frontier.
<4> Wot: oh really, so you've read about, say, Liberia, Uganda, Ivory Coast?
<4> where guns are used by both sides in civil wars
<4> thanks for expanding the degree to which your ignorance is evident
<3> But you've helped point out yet another disconnect between gun control advocates and gun proponents: Gun control advocates look at dangerous cities as a reason to crack down on gun ownership... gun proponents look at it as a reason to *increase* gun ownership there.
<4> Glock: except the proponents by taking that stance merely show they don't understand how cities work.
<1> true, I think we should get rid of all guns in the world, I miss the old days when people fought REAL wars and battles and hundreds of thousands would lay dead in the battlefield after a long day of poking each other with swords and spears
<4> which is why most police forces in cities are very mch pro-gun control
<3> Timur... and gun proponents feel you don't understand that disarming the law abiding citizens when the criminals will be armed is just a recipe for disaster.
<4> Wot: again, you're not really addressing the issue, and pretty much show you don't understand it, so never mind. later for you
<3> Both sides think the other 'doesn't get it'
<5> and they are probably right to some extent
<4> Glock: it's a point, but the fear level would be less if the widespread distribution of guns to criminals were minimized or even eliminated.
<4> you can run away from a guy with a knife. not so easy if he has a gun.
<4> etc
<3> Who do you think is behind this 'widespread distribution of guns to criminals'?
<1> heh tell the people in towns in africa to run away from people with Machettes
<5> guns and criminals both attract towards each other
<4> Wot: I don't have to tell them, because generally there are guns that aren't possible from which to run away
<1> well, wehn I was 15, I used to buy cases of old german Mausers from China
<4> Glock; well, it'd certainly seem the gun mfrs. who have a profit incentive to sell as many guns to whomever are a significant contributor
<1> we could get pretty much any weapon when we were kids
<4> Wot: great, that just emphasizes the point that it's too easy to get them
<6> STRASBOURG (AFP) - A European investigator has said there was convincing evidence that Washington sent detainees to third countries to be tortured but no "irrefutable evidence" of the existence of secret CIA prisons in Europe.
<3> Timur... not really... they have a profit incentive to sell to people who aren't likely to commit crimes... the gun crime problem only hurts them as guns are restricted and banned.
<6> I wished people would get a clue, rendition was approved under Clinton
<1> but...at the same time, I was a boyscout and had a hunters safety course and a merit badge, so I had respect for them
<5> gun retailors don't think like that
<1> maybe they should teach gun safety to inner city kids
<4> Glock: no, it doesn't, because as we've discussed, they seldom face any real repercussions from crimes committed with guns they make/distribute
<5> they just want to cover their ***es
<4> meanwhile, they're laughing all the way to the bank.
<5> they will sell guns to anybody without a record
<5> as they should, because they cannot descriminate
<2> So Timur Car Mfgs should have repurcussions for DUI Deaths
<2> that just makes no sense
<4> no, rond, that's an inane comparison.
<4> as I've discussed above
<1> maybe we should get rid of Art cl***es and teach gun saftey cl***es in school
<4> so no need to revisit it.
<2> its an exact comparison
<3> Timur... it's not that profitable of an industry anymore due to the heavier restrictions. Colt stopped selling to civilians almost entirely because of the new regulations and restrictions, it just wasn't profitable anymore.
<4> no, it's really not.
<4> cars are built to transport people from place to place, which is a good thing, generally.
<4> guns are meant to shoot, and often to shoot people, and that's often not a good thing.
<4> so, no, it's a ****ty comparison.
<2> and there used to race and tear up the environment
<2> and escape crimes
<4> uh huh
<4> ok, rural boy.
<1> sounds like cars, cars kill more poeple than guns
<2> Your point was just stupid
<7> cars! ban em!
<1> those dangerous evil cars
<1> ;)
<2> guns are alos used to hunt where dads and grand fathers spend time with there children
<4> no, it's actually not, but your comparison is easily shot down, since no one making such a comparison understands how cities work, which is the whole tone of my discussion
<7> cars kill more people than bin laden!
<7> war on cars!
<1> Cars kill more people than drugs too!
<4> very little hunting in cities.
<1> The war on cars is next
<3> Plenty of hunting in the cities... it's all human on human and illegal though.
<2> they give millions of law abiding citizens a good hobby which is a secondary point of good focus away from there busy stressful lives
<7> what about golf carts? how deadly are those things???
<2> so it goes both ways timmy boi
<2> both guns and cars do both good and bad
<7> well, I'm rifin' shotgun
<8> When the pilot depressurized the cabin Rigby opened a door and jumped out onto the tarmac. Deputies found him running toward the terminal and zapped with a stun gun after he resisted arrest.
<8> FORT LAUDERDALE -- A p***enger on a flight jumped out of the airplane in FreeTrade Lauderdale. As the Boeing 737 began to move toward the runway Rigby started yelling to get off. He ran to the front of the plane, and banged on windows and the cockpit door. As p***engers and crew tried to restrain him Rigby bit a p***enger.
<7> riding too
<7> eleanor rigby?
<5> cars do bad by accident, guns do bad by purpose
<2> its the bad users not the mfg's or the gun or car that is the problem simple as that
<6> CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela's vice president derided Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) for suggesting that "wackos" run the South American country, saying Monday that the United States should focus on its own problems.
<3> It's a conundrum... you don't want grandma defenseless against thugs... but by arming grandma you may arm the thugs.
<6> "It looks like they have nothing else to do in the United States," Rangel said, adding that the Americans have "so many problems, 40 million poor people, 30 million drug users, and an American senator is paying attention to us. He can go to hell."
<5> what is mfg?
<6> HAHAHA
<6> manufacturing
<4> rond: Well, in cities, guns not in the hands of law enforcement do a lot more bad than good.
<6> haha 30 million drug users , 40 million poor hahahaha ohhh thats hilarious
<2> and Timur I live in a city...a huge one
<7> wackos isn't exactly the term id hope to hear from a presidential candidate either
<2> always have all of my life
<6> even our poorest are richer than some rich people in Venezuela
<8> hillarycare is coming back
<7> axis of wackos!
<8> Sen. Hillary Clinton is reviving her disastrous health care reform crusade, saying she intends to "fix" President Bush's Medicare prescription drug plan, then adding: "I'm determined to do the same with access to affordable health care as well."
<5> thats not only narrow minded its bad forein policy
<4> rond: you do? which city
<4> how densely populated is it?
<2> Dallas/Fort Worth
<3> heh... gun central
<7> kennedy killers!
<7> y'all got blood on jackie's fashion statement
<7> shame
<2> Growing up in DFW, The only gun I have ever heard go off in any city at any time in 47 years was in Miami
<7> you have good hearing!
<7> that's gotta be over 1200 mi away
<2> never seen a victem of a gun crime have never even been aware of any gun crime happening within any neighborhood I have ever lived in
<4> how many gun eaths thre?
<2> see it on the news all the time
<2> [06:37] <3> heh... gun central
<4> ok, so it exists.
<4> even if it's not in your neighborhood
<2> But all of my relatives have guns
<3> Well, like most cities, violent crime tends to occur overwhelmingly in certain areas and little, if ever, in others.
<3> It's the nature of the beast.
<7> guns are treated way too lightly by too many knuckleheads, unfortunately
<2> but as I have mentioned on here before I have expercienced the results of DUI and not just in my own family
<2> I have friends as well who have been down that road
<4> I'm not speaking to your individual experience, sad as DUIs are, but of the big picture.
<9> timur: why not say "guns not in the hands of law enforcement or law abiding citizens do alot more bad thna good"
<7> and the so-called liberal hollywood elite glorify gunplay and power
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