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<0> Glock: You sure?
<1> Still haven't bought a ****ing dictionary.
<0> Sounds like gop.
<0> :P
<2> Lanzer, you are devoiced (Requested by Glock21 )
<3> tick ... tock ...
<4> Isn't the Bar ***ociation the gold standard of the Democratic Party?
<1> o_O
<1> I'm not even sure what you're asking there.
<4> cuz they gave Alito the highest possible rating
<5> there are a hell of a lot of Rep. lawyers.
<4> but all these Demobrats wanna block him
<5> so, the ABA isn't really an index
<6> So the Torries took the house
<6> it's a sad day for Canada
<1> I'm not sure what the ABA uses for its ratings, but it sure as hell doesn't use conservative vs liberal issues in the decision.
<4> maybe if the Liberals explained themselves
<1> PhatDan... well it's obvious what the dems want... they want another ginsburg or breyer.
<1> Repubs are the ones that can't seem to make up their mind... do they want another Thomas... or another O'Connor... or somewhere in between... a Scalia...
<1> Dems are after the same thing... a SC that will let them regulate anything and everything for the general welfare... one that'll consider abortion a protected right... one that'll uphold civil liberties on everything except guns, property rights, etc...
<5> uh..
<5> it was most of the CONSERVATIVE justices that also upheld the position of the city in re: the eminent domain case
<1> Repubs are harder to pin down... you have the federalists, the moderates, the christian whackos... all want different things.
<1> Timur... um... if you mean the one moderate... uh... sure.
<1> O'Connor, Reinquist, Thomas, Scalia... the Conservatives... were all against it.
<1> Kennedy, the moderate, sided with the libs.
<1> Breyer, Ginsburg, Stevens, Souter...
<1> The libs
<1> 2 of which were repub appointed.
<1> Repubs **** at the appointment game.
<1> Before Reinquist died there were 7 repub appointees with only 3-4 conservatives (depending on how you look at O'Connor)
<5> ah, you're right, I stand corrected
<4> It's hard trying to find a consistently conservative judge
<1> I consider O'Connor a conservative in spite of her abortion stance... I think she has a good Amendment XIV argument.
<5> in any case, no justice who holds all the most extreme forms of any position will be appointed.
<1> I think upholding the Constitution is an extreme view these days.
<5> and having every numbskull with a criminal record allowed to have free and easy access to a gun isn't a right.
<1> I'd love some true extremists on the bench... like Thomas.
<1> Heh... well when you find someone who thinks every 'numbskull with a criminal record' should have a gun... have a nice debate with him.
<1> Not sure anybody here fits that bill.
<5> I am
<5> From 2001 to 2003, firearms were linked to 4,777 hospitalizations and 3,588 deaths in Pennsylvania, according to the report, issued by the Health Department and the Pennsylvania Health Care Cost Containment Council.
<5> thanks, gun industry
<1> lol
<1> Yeah, damn gun manufacturers killing all those people.
<5> and we, the taxpayer, have to foot a lotta the bills for those
<5> they make it a lot easier.
<5> see, if it were as easy to buy machine guns as handguns, then it'd be higher
<1> Are there any gun manufacturers that still protest the Brady Bill?
<1> Barrett might.
<1> But I haven't heard any of them wanting to end it lately.
<5> overtly, maybe not.
<1> So the 'numbskulls with a criminal record' are probably still screwed.
<5> no, because gun shows are all around
<1> I doubt you'll see any politicians crying for the ex-cons right to be armed any time soon.
<1> Except maybe some whacko local-level schmucks.
<5> it's not that they call for it, it's that they allow for it
<5> end result = same
<1> It's a complex problem... even if you sell a gun to someone perfectly legal, there ain't much stopping them from giving it to someone who ain't.
<1> The gun show thing is even more interesting because it is hard to sell a gun to someone at a weekend show if they can't take possession of it until next Tuesday.
<1> Something that the 'instant' background checks should be able to compensate for.
<5> true, it's not a simple problem. Largely the problem lies in the discrepancy between urban and rural factors; I am speaking from an urban perspective
<1> Here in Illinois the problem is mainly in Chicago... but the guns are bought as far south as Louisiana.
<1> There was a big crackdown on the supply routes a couple years back.
<1> And Chi-town has bans on guns. (de facto bans anyways)
<5> de facto that are effective? :)
<5> or de jure, on the books, but not really able to be enforced
<1> Well, effective in that no law abiding person can get them... the criminals still do quite easily.
<1> We also have a statewide ID card system for gun ownership.
<1> Picture/info/etc... to be renewed every 5 years where the State Police check you out all over again.
<1> The infamous example of the 'Adolf Hitler" Illinois firearm ID card was the best.
<5> Illinois Nazis.
<5> (etc.) -Blues Brothers
<1> Apparently 'Adolf Hitler' is a law abiding citizen with no record on file... he has the right to kaba.
<1> Of course the system wasn't set up to check to see if the person was actually a citizen or not.
<1> Just checked to see if that particular person had a record.
<1> :P
<5> exactly
<5> see how large the gaping holes are
<1> They fixed that bug after much ugly press.
<5> maybe in one state, but one wonders how many others have such systemic holes
<1> No more Rabbit, Bugs Bunny foid cards.
<1> Most states don't do anything like that.
<5> lol
<1> Illinois is one of the few.
<1> Still didn't help.
<5> that's what I'm saying, there's a lack of a comprehensive system which allows for maximum distribution with maximum ease to whomever
<5> course not, since one can jaunt merrily across the border with no check
<1> The problem with a comprehensive system in that regards is the registration aspect...
<1> Registration scares the crap out of gun nuts.
<5> and lack of it scares most everyone else
<1> Indeed.
<1> It's one of those 'great divides' in the gun world.
<5> Around 100,000 people are shot in the United States each year, and about 28,000 of those people die from their wounds. HUP itself treats an average of one gunshot victim per day, playing a significant role in Philly's 2002 distinction as the third-worst city for homicides in the country.
<5> HUP = Hosp. of the Univ. of Pennsylvania
<1> Drunk drivers account for quite a bit of death too... but just because I have alcohol and a car doesn't make me responsible for all those deaths.
<1> I never drink and drive.
<1> And just because I have a gun doesn't mean I'm responsible for other people killing each other with them.
<5> in the cities at least, cars aren't often used in crimes to ***ault or kill people
<1> The horrid statistics of what 'guns do to people' doesn't really phase a gun nut because it wasn't them... they aren't the ones killing people.
<5> of what criminals, *armed with guns and therefore much more dangerous because of that*, etc.
<1> They look at the murderers as the problem... not the implement used.
<1> That's the point of view issue that you'll face in such arguments.
<5> which is a copout
<5> for the gun nuts.
<1> Gun nuts and gun haters alike don't like murder... both dislike the murderer... one side puts the blame on the murderer, the other on both the murderer and the implement.
<1> Though some NRA types will claim the gun haters only blame the implement.
<1> Which is of course not true.
<1> At least in an overwhelming majority of cases.
<5> I blame both
<5> and want to tackle both
<7> anybody home
<1> I'd like to see a better system to keep guns out of the hands of criminals also... but I haven't seen a good one yet, nor have I been able to figure one out on my own yet. (but I'm working on it).
<7> glock morning
<1> howdy sting
<7> i want guns in hands of criminals so i can shoot them
<5> Sting: morinng
<7> timur good morning
<5> Glock: you have my full support :)
<7> been sick losing weight
<1> Sting... yeah, but you're nuts.
<7> glock yep dat i am
<1> You put the 'nut' in gun nut.
<1> :P
<7> glock thanks
<7> 'appreciate that
<7> brb
<1> Timur... on a related note, I'd really like to find a better way of fighting poverty issues, especially in the urban areas. Seems to have a direct effect on crime in general, including gun crime.
<5> Sting: sorry to hear it.. feel better
<5> Glock: indeed, it's all interrelated
<1> The *ideal* solution would be that we could line the streets with RPGs and AK-47's and nobody would ever feel the urge to pick one up.
<5> except that's not, of course, how it works. :)
<1> It's a utopian ideal.
<5> right.. but in the meantime!
<1> Thus unrealistic completely.
<5> I just hear about little kids getting shot like every day on the news
<8> hehe
<8> they shouldnt be playing with guns
<5> and I really would like to minimize it
<5> Nikie: often, they're just caught in a crossfire.
<8> ahhhhh.
<5> or sitting with grandma at home, and gunfights go through doors / walls / windows
<8> they should reduce the number of ppl legally owning firearms..any firearms
<1> Yeah... unfortunately any solution will take many years for any effect to be seen since so many guns are already illegally possessed already.
<9> Timur now that is a true parent community problem
<9> schools improving themselves is not but kids with guns are
<1> A few states could implement confiscation schemes... thanks to registration... but most it would be a cluster****. (but notice the registration worries of gun owners thanks to this)
<9> buy sigh....you can't regulate parenting
<9> but
<8> it is truly sad..to see such a young kid die right infront of u
<8> and there's nothing you can do about it
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