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<0> idiot's actually signing a plea
<1> Prosecutors say Ancheta and SoBe then installed the ad software from the two companies _ Gamma Entertainment of Montreal, Quebec, and Loudcash, whose parent company was acquired last year by 180Solutions of Bellevue, Wash. _ on the bots they controlled, pocketing more than $58,000 in 13 months.
<2> FT: If you are not breaking the law, why worry?
<0> if he sees prison bars, it will be for the minimum of 16 months in this state
<3> I really would like to see the justice depts SMASH down on these people.
<0> and no more
<1> wow .. this guy turned his botnet into big business
<4> IMO, you'd be better off not to give it up in the first place.
<5> FreeTrade: really.... well the channel is waiting to find out
<0> i've watched this happen 100 times, it's always the same
<0> scriptkid never 'gets his'
<0> they get off
<4> CometBaby: 180solutions was a botnet distributor? ****
<6> 50k isn't huge money
<6> but I guess if yer a sleazy spammer
<4> 6 years is hardly getting his
<6> it works
<0> tweek: in your wildest dreams he'd get 6 years
<0> 6 years is the MAX under the plea
<4> ****, really?
<7> what happens to the information once it is collected by the NSA.
<0> he won't serve 2
<6> AAAman: they mine it
<0> he might not even make it past county
<0> depending how bad **** is in la
<0> up here he probably wouldn't make it out of county
<3> People selling any kind of information including old addresses over the internet, or old phone numbers, or cell phones, or county records, criminal records, That information should all be confidential and the only way anyone should see it is with a sgnature from you to let an employer, landlord or credit agency see your reports.
<3> There is even a Medical Information Burea which tracks you.
<1> haha this is from 180 solutions website: 180solutions is committed to creating a content economy built on a foundation of safe and ethical practices
<7> FreeTrade --NSA, CIA and FBI had significant information about two of the leading hijackers as early as January 2000 but failed to keep track of them
<0> (what i mean by that is, he'd be in county so long his sentence would expire before being transfered to prison. When you're in county, you get county good time. It's more generous than prison good time)
<8> http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/prescott-nixon.jpg
<8> what a great pic
<9> Freetrade: right, those are FAR more threats to the average american than the NSA wiretapes
<3> They sell information to Insurannce companies the way Credit burea's do credit reports.
<6> AAAman: well it is govt
<6> :)
<7> NSA intercepts warning of the attacks the day before, but not translated until Sept. 12, 2001.
<0> mafiaboy was back on irc in less than 2 years, and that was heavy media + fed pressure
<1> FreeTrade all those *free services* who will give you your credit rating for free .. once you agree to their terms, they sell your information. That's how they provide free services :)
<8> it makes me sick to hear these government officials saying the NSA taps would probably have identified and saved us now
<8> what a joke
<3> aaaMAN, the facts are this, Exactly because noone was doign what Bush authorized, eavesdroping on foreignors talking to americans when the foreignors were on a terrorist list.. In the old days the minute the american got on you had to yank the wire metaphorically or if you did listen in you couldnt tell anyoen.
<8> able danger? hello?
<10> CometBaby hmm.. new laws in CO the credit agencies have to give you your report, for free, no strings
<8> they even say "we could have identified mohammad atta" wtf?
<1> bud .. cool beans .. :)
<7> Bush can be all the national security wire tapping he wants with oversight
<10> they also have to tell you EVERYONE who's had access to it
<11> AAAman gawd. Do a search on 'Janet Reno' and 'Carnivore'. The Clintons were into the wiretapping up to their damn eyeballs.
<1> bud but I was specifically referring to those online services that are heavily advertised that they will send you your credit report for free.
<12> Jack will make him talk
<3> Bush realized after 911 when people critized the Clinton and Bush administration for not putting together the dots as they called it, Well Bush took the criticism seriously and for the defense of this nation he connected the dots, And people close to the investigations claim several plots were stopped by bushs program.
<12> oops
<7> FreeTrade -- Quakers are already claiming they are targets of the wire taps
<10> CometBaby right, thats what the law was about. stopping that
<0> how hard is it to get warrants anyway
<1> Bush removed the "wall" that blocked sharing of information btw our various spy organizations
<0> (seriously, i dunno)
<3> And if you want to think they are exagerrating fine but I would say at least one event you could say definately did not happen.. Whether it was blowing up the holland tunnel, or whatever they planned, and people are alive today because Bush did authorize the NSA to eavesdrop on anyone connected to Al Queda even if they were talking to an american.
<0> I know the fbi acts without them all the time, then gets them later
<1> which was established under clinton (that jamie something)
<3> BUT ONLY AL QUEDA or their ***ociates.
<1> AAAman so are domestic terrorists such as ELF and ALF
<4> why not just ... oh, I dunno ... arrest Al Qaeda agents?
<3> 30% of americans seem to be paranoid and think the NSA was listening in on them, I hate to break it to them but the truth is their lives are not that interesting that anyone would want to listen in on them.
<1> they don't want anyone to stop them
<7> CometBaby -- Must we abandon the rule of law, compromise our values, turn against our neighbors, enlist in a clash of civilizations, all in the name of defeating the terrorists
<13> AAAman: and why would the government spy on qaukers?
<13> AAAman: are they going to lace our grits with anthrax?
<1> AAAman we must do what we have to do to protect innocent americans from dying like they did on 9/11.
<7> Quakers are anti-wart
<4> the ALF isn't as much of an organized group as it is a bunch of ***holes that want to break ****
<13> AAAman: so?
<3> And NSA is not a Republican organization, Its National and if there was widespread abuse i am positive soemone would come forward from the NSA theough the CORRECT channels which is NOT THE NEW YORK TIMES!
<14> ALF or ELF?
<13> new jack
<4> either/or.
<7> targeting political opponents, not just potential terrorists?
<3> AAAMAN, every president since FDR did this
<8> I LOVE THE NSA AND CIA
<0> I HATE BIGWIG
<14> Earth Liberation Front is a wacko Green group
<8> stupid, stupid americans
<11> AAAman this is from Wired .... "The Clinton administration wants to be able to send federal agents armed with search warrants into homes to copy encryption keys and implant secret back doors onto computers.
<11> "When criminals like drug dealers and terrorists use encryption to conceal their communications, law enforcement must be able to respond in a manner that will not thwart an investigation or tip off a suspect," Attorney General Janet Reno and Deputy Defense Secretary John Hamre wrote in a seven-page letter to Congress.
<13> ft, can you voice new_jack?
<4> 'secret back doors'? ****.
<0> bigwig: <8> stupid, stupid americans <- that comment was much more stupid than anything you could possibly see in this channel
<14> Bigwig..how are americans stupid?
<3> Why suddenly is it breaking the law when Bush does it and it isnt when Clinton does it, carter does it, LBJ, Ike, Truman and FDR Did it oh and I forgot JFK
<7> "One F.B.I. document indicates that agents in Indianapolis planned to conduct surveillance as part of a "Vegan Community Project."
<8> cryhavoc more naive then stupid i suppose
<1> AAAman if you are so upset by 9/11 info that didn't get interpreted correctly then you should love that we are in a much better position to connect the dots.
<14> how are we so naive?
<0> bigwig: you really think this channel represents the ENTIRE country bigwig?
<0> are you that retarded?
<8> you support nazis, dude
<3> AAAman, Thats FBI and that was before this and FBI always had the ability to spy domestically
<13> New_Jack: election results will be coming out within the next 10 minutes....
<14> how do we support Nazis?
<1> AAAman it seems to me that the left is upset about Bush trying to protect the country
<7> NBC -- Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military
<3> It was the Foreign Intelligence which couldnt spy domestically
<0> america is the worst country to try to generalize, no matter what you do you have at least 50% error
<8> the bush family should not be so powerful in america
<0> all the damn time
<8> it is sad
<1> You want him to ignore everything like Clinton did
<8> these are your distinguished leaders
<0> every other country you can generalize much better than this one
<10> AAAman alot of times those groups are seasoned activists who have played in grey areas before, for years. when they catch wind they maybe being watched its so easy to fall back on some harmless little group
<14> America is near impossible to generalize
<3> And the FBI Should of been busted if they were harr***ing a Vegan community without a warrant and a legal cause.
<7> Bush can do all the national security wire tapping he wants with oversight
<11> mow ron
<1> AAAman we see the left systematically trying to weaken this nation they don't seem to care if we get hit again
<14> Bigwig...seems they are yours too...
<7> Bush can ask Congress for the authority
<0> why do people insist on making themselves look so retarded
<1> whats another 3000 people?
<2> vegans might be aligned with bin laden
<1> so what huh?
<0> they try to say "oh i'm smart" while simultainiously generalizing the most diverse country in the world
<14> Washington State
<15> AAAMan - If you are talking to a terrorist on the phone you DESERVE to be tapped
<0> as if the entire country is bush supporting conservatives
<3> Just like at Waco I sadly blame every FBI and ATF agent who made the decisions for violating civil liberties in the worst way ever since J. Edgar Hoover.
<7> CometBaby -- I destest destroying the Const to save the Cosnt
<0> for ****s sakes
<13> surlly: hmmm... terrorists don't eat pork... vegans don't eat pork... i see a connection
<1> Lieberman seems to be the only democrat who wants to put the safety of americans first
<9> Boogy: i'ld say, if the govn't does NOT listen in, they are being negligent
<2> rcane: xactly
<1> and the left has demonized him for saying it
<3> We are not destroying the constitution this is paranoia.
<7> BoogyMan -- We have no idea who is tapped and the Govt is on a fishing expedition
<14> and Lieberman is like any pol..he will take waht position needed for future reference
<3> MY dad worked for Signal Intelligence in ww2. It saves America and the British and the allies.
<3> We broke the german double code.
<7> The Defense Department refused to comment on how it obtained information on the Lake Worth meeting or why it considers a dozen or so anti-war activists a threat."
<1> FreeTrade democrats seem to be determined to undermine everything that's being done to stop another 9/11
<16> everyone knows vegans are evil
<11> Does anyone truly believe that leftists wont wire tap your *** when they're in power ? Who could possibly be that stupid.
<2> Was that the German Enema Machine?
<14> actually Lupine..I do not feel compelled to carry a firearm :)
<3> We broke germanys codes they used with agens in the UK and we used it to send hitler disinformation back.
<11> and speaking of leftists...
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