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<0> Pickle: On Fox news program Neil Cavuto
<1> or are you confusing the opinion of individuals on IRC with the administration?
<2> plusplusc: Oh, I see. I thought you meant someone who mattered was saying that.
<1> war is never "a good thing".. but sometimes, it is a "necessary thing"
<1> pikcle: ahahahahaha
<3> Lupine...what sort of crap do you think would be on a low level tech test??
<0> Lupine: That's what the right-wing punidiocracy and talk-show heads have been spinning up to now.
<2> Neil Cavuto is not the "right-wing punidiocracy".
<2> It's a business show.
<4> at any rate, war mongers to the fullest.
<0> Pickle: Fox News IS predominately a right-wing propaganda organ.
<2> plusplusc: Yes, but Neil Cavuto, specifically, is not.
<2> It's a business show.
<0> it does give a fair amount of straight news, though.
<0> Pickle: I'm not making this up about one of the recent topics of discussion on Cavuto
<2> And it's one show on Fox. I haven't heard anyone else on Fox saying that.
<0> Pickle: I hope this is one trial balloon spin-line that will be quickly abandoned.
<2> plusplusc: Yes, I'm sure you're not. It's just that it's no one who matters and hardly some sort of consensus opinion on Fox.
<5> I ownder if your even paraphrasing cavuto right
<1> you know, for being so "right wing propaganda organ".. there are alot of people on foxnews who take this administration to task
<2> Yeah, including Cavuto.
<2> Which is why he's probably the host that Democrats and other non-Republicans are most liable to be seen on.
<1> I mean, Brit Hume is one of the most *effective* critics of Bush usually
<6> "right wing propaganda organ" = not gushing over clinton, not all-left-all-the-time
<0> rond: look at the Fox screenshot on http://dailykos.com ... I would tend to dismiss the left-leaning commentary about the relevant Fox NN discussion as just that, but the screenshot itself isn't fabricated.
<2> In fact, I'm pretty sure that Cavuto let slip that he's a libertarian, in the past.
<2> Oh, no wonder. Dailykos.
<5> :)
<5> thanks fro the input --C
<1> ++C: so, your point is.. the media should not discuss various aspects of an issue, and ask hard questions? how um, interesting
<0> Pickle: you can dismiss the commentary following the screenshot, but not the screenshot itself as the topic of discussion on Cavuto
<2> Anything that appears on Daily Kos shouldn't be given much thought as to either veracity or relevance, and certainly not as representative of the right's actual position on something.
<5> that isn't even cavuto
<5> and its not even his words
<2> plusplusc: Those are the types of topics Cavuto tends to discuss.
<0> Lupine: free press, they can discuss what they like, but they have to take responsibility for whatever line is taken.
<1> ++C: now, have any evidence that cavuto said it WAS a good thing?
<2> plusplusc: And asking the question doesn't mean anyone with a brain agrees that it IS a good thing.
<5> that isn't taking a line
<1> ++C: it is a question to stir a debate. It isn't a position
<1> in any event, my position is that civil war is not a GOOD thing.. but it may be a NECESSARY thing
<0> Lupine: I didnt' say that. I rather think it was a trial balloon that was being road-tested to see if it would fly as one way to spin the latest developments. This one is probably a lead balloon.
<2> Yeah, right, because Neil Cavuto is the propaganda arm of the Republican Party.
<5> And I do believe that there is a possiblity that this Iraqi govt will get a hold of this situation, turn it around and if that is possible...that is a good thing
<5> sort of a test of character
<2> That's an ***umption that only someone who never watches Cavuto, ever, could make.
<7> Neil Cavuto is so ****ing sappy it makes me want to punch him out at the end of his show
<5> thrun the channel
<8> Do you think the Iraq war was worth the 2trillion $ cost and almost 3000 american lives lost..Iraq had no WOD and is not pruducing 40% LESS oil than before the war
<5> turn
<5> I think its 2400 american lives isn't it
<2> Cavuto is a contrarian. That's his bag. And he's hardly a Republican loyalist--he's basically an economist.
<0> Pickle: one of the things I really watch out for are when the moderate-and-leftish punditocracy are seeming to attempt a particular spin on events. Daily Kos is a trial arena where lots of spin aspects get tried out before trying to take them on the road to the general public, so to speak
<0> Pickle: Ditto (pun intended) the right wing spinmeisters.
<2> Daily Kos is simply ridiculous horse ****--so ridiculous that John Kerry stopped linking Daily Kos on his blog during the election because they're such a bunch of obnoxious jerks.
<2> There's nothing complicated about it.
<1> johan: its cost is up to $5.6 trillion at last estimate.. and will be at an estimated 11,000dead before we leave.. of course, that was before this "civil war".. so it'll probably be up to 150trillion, and 1.4 million US casualties
<2> Daily Kos is no more a serious Democratic think tank than is Free Republic to the Republicans.
<0> Pickle: One of the conservative commentators I used to not like, but who is growing more on me each day is George Will - because he isn't plugged in to the GOP spin machine. Likewise, Thomas Friedman of the NYT. I like Paul Krugman, a leftie commentator, but I also read between the lines for the the partisan spin he always puts on things
<1> one only had to look at dailykos.com to see they do not seem to have basic reading comprehension
<2> I won't look at it, they don't deserve the hits.
<1> pickle: good point
<2> I saw enough after the "screw them" incident.
<8> Lupine: Do you think that the War was worth the astronomical cost
<0> Pickle: No, Kos is more like a very slow-motion version of #politics for liberals. But it's a great way of divining what the possible spin lines the left is trying out to put on events, the better to separate wheat from chaff
<5> Johan won't know for quite a while
<1> johan: no. I think we should have taken ~100 old airliners, packed them with 100,000 lbs of old explosives.. and flew them into baghdad and let the chips fall where they lay
<8> Lupine: America still has to bomb and reform Iran, Syria and North Korea
<9> Daily Kos is one step above Democratic Underground. And that place is nothing but a snake pit.
<1> ++C: basically, they throw ****ed up, made up smelly ****, and see what tripe the gullible leftoids will swallow down like it was clinton's own cum.
<10> i'd much rather do thinkprogress.org, liberaloasis.com, or mediamatters.org rather than kos.
<8> And maybe Venezuela..Chavez is trying hard to pick a fight with the US
<2> plusplusc: Daily Kos is an echo chamber for the fringe moveon.org wing of the Democratic Party. The occasional meme may make it to the party mainstream, but, like Free Republic, the signal to noise ratio is so poor that it's not worth the time.
<0> Lupine: just like Rush Limbaugh's radio program. Yes, I know where I am and take a huge bag of salt with me to both dailykos and for that matter, in here in right-leaning #politics. I don't just read/listen to people who are in tune with my own POV.
<2> And the fact remains that they're so extreme that even John Kerry divorced himself from ***ociation with the site.
<6> Johan} over 100 lives were lost and billions spent constructing the Hoover Dam... was it worth such a terrible price?
<9> ++C .. DailyKos is nothing like #politics. You cannot have another view there. We may not like your view here, but so long as you are not abusive (kill bush) or acting like a fool (you're all nazi's) we won't ban you. In additon, we don't get talking points from any politicians. DailyKos gets their que from Dean.
<0> Pickle: what you should realize about kos is that the GOP has its own versions of kos, though usually it tends to manifest itself in talk-radio.
<9> DailyKos is bought and paid for by the Dem. Party. Nobody owns us.
<2> Now, I will say that, once upon a time, Daily Kos had some measure of credibility. But they lost that after the "Screw them" incident. Mainly because the fringe Democraticunderground.com crowd streamed to the site en m***e at that point.
<9> We pay our own way.
<0> Comet: I'm not saying Kos is a balanced debate site. I'm only pointing out where it's overwhelming center of gravity is.
<2> plusplusc: The GOP version of Daily Kos, as I've been saying, is Free Republic--a largely ignored den of loons.
<9> ++c you compared it to us, and there is no comparison.
<5> But the fact is ++C you tried to sell your point using DailyKos and you were wrong even on the details of the sale
<0> Pickle: Actually, I'm looking for the best comparable GOP site. My purpose in reading kos is to keep thumbs on the current predominate thinking of that part of the democratic party, not to agree with them.
<5> so we can argue the virtues or lack there of of DailyKos all day but that is the real point of contention here
<1> Comet: TheHighRoad forumn ( 2nd amendment ) used to examine how any pro-civil-rights position, no matter how innocuous.. would get banned from democratic underground
<2> plusplusc: I know, and you do yourself a disservice by doing so. It's as silly as me going to FreeRepublic.com to keep apprised of what the GOP line is going to be.
<1> CB: I find that comparison to be insulting.. as we have a very wide range of various viewpoints here, that are silenced at moveon/k0s/DU etc
<1> SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- A small-town judge with three wives was ordered removed from the bench by the Utah Supreme Court on Friday.
<1> The court unanimously agreed with the findings of the state's Judicial Conduct Commission, which recommended the removal of Judge Walter Steed for violating the state's bigamy law.
<9> wolfy .. ditto
<11> well, someone was obviously not too concerned about breaking that law when he got married 3 times, so why kick up a fuss about it now?
<0> have to go now. family calling me away from computer
<1> quanin: generally, they are not "legal marriages".. but religious only ceremonies
<9> wolfy particularly in view of the fact that FreeTrade and I pay for the website ourselves. And when we need help there is always someone in the channel who steps forward and offers to help us out. This place is virtually owned by us .. but everyone here helps keep it going in one way or another. Nobody owns us.
<6> who the hell is wolfy?
<11> still. it's obviously not a recent thing so why pick now to call him out on it?
<1> bud: sorry.. my old nick going back over a decade :-)
<9> bud lupine = *dog* .. he used to have wolf in his nick
<9> he's an ole dog :)
<6> oh ok.
<6> arf
<9> for years I called him wolfy and I just never got out of the habit. Rusty comes in as Hemi now .. and I still call him rusty :)
<9> lol
<3> haha
<3> Canis Lupus is a wolf
<11> lol. i wish i'd been around here long enough for that. but stupid little me took a... like... 7 year break from IRC.
<3> is listed as Arvach because for a bit I was fighting with a finn over my nick
<1> cry: i still think CryArvach is superior
<1> <-- dawgs of war
<12> Just poking in, read some scroll, agree 100% with Wolfy and Comet..
<12> And I knew immediately who wolfy was ;)
<12> Boy I have been like a truckign company today running around the ****ing city
<12> And I will have another trip later in a while.
<13> what's all this about civil war potentially in iraq
<12> Anyway TGIF
<1> well, the KKK is marching this weekend in orlando.. same setup as Ohio a few months back.
<12> DD, Its a rumor
<12> Nothing more.
<12> Its a possibility
<13> Lupine - that's just terrific - ugh!
<12> We hope it doesnt occur but we cant stop it if they are determined.
<1> frankly, i am shocked it did not occur 3 years ago
<12> If so the USA will not take sides.
<13> someone oughta give the kkk populace free therapy or something
<13> some 'integration into humanity' lessons
<12> DD, the KKK are Beyond repair.
<13> yeah, I intuit that
<12> Damaged goods.
<13> 'waht' they are though puzzles me
<11> ft: it's a rumor that's got a daytime curfue (probably misspelled, but oh well) in place in iraq.
<14> yes, those who do not accept the trained Establishment thought patterns need to be sent back to re-education facilities.
<13> I mean, I see no 'reason' in anything about them....
<1> DrD: yes/no. I found nothing wrong with the KKK marching.. they have the right.. and some citizens in that Ohio town proved how THEY were.. and in fact, were worse than the KKK
<12> They are sadly brainwashed by parents or churches or negative experiences like being beat up bad by 6 black males.
<13> the right, sure. I suppose the answer is to just let it go ?
<12> But there is still no excuse to be irrational.
<1> FT: sure, but at least in Ohio.. those residents who went off rioting, reacted with violence etc.. were actually far more objectionable than the KKK
<11> is there ever an excuse, though?
<12> Or at the least one should be able to say here i go again I am afraid of these blacks walking down the road.. But I realize its due to my experience in childhood and that logically judging them individually the could be the greatest guys on earth or thugs.
<12> Its even ok to be biased if people know and understand their bias and can reason to themselves that they know its a bias from conditioning. Intellectually they can seperate that from reality.
<15> hello
<16> hey
<17> www.kkk.com <--- sign up here if you want to join the invisible empire of the ku klux klan
<16> Three cheers for South Dakato!!! PIERRE, S.D. The Legislature on Friday approved a ban on nearly all abortions in South Dakota, setting up a direct legal ***ault on Roe v. Wade. Republican Gov. Mike Rounds said he was inclined to sign the bill, which would make it a crime for doctors to perfoorm an abortion unless it was necessary to save the woman's life. The measure would make no exception in cases of rape or incest.
<12> Some fear of muslims is not entire irrational, but I recognize that this is a reflection of what happened on 9/11 and that I have known, I do know, and I realize their are 100s of Millions who would never take part in such violence. That the religion does teach peace except when its interpreted by fanatics.
<12> This is something I would apply to the Politics of the port.
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