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<0> where's Rusty going?
<1> Moving into new house
<2> He's moving
<3> TheTailor: Military has been putting out propoganda in iraq, what makes you think they aren't doing the same to us?
<1> I guess is not going to have connectivity for awhile
<0> Michael: whenever two or more independent people interact they form a society
<0> ah
<4> OcDoc: but what is a society?
<0> Michael: the resulting interaction
<5> salx taxcut won't do my corporate taxes afaik :)
<2> salx, how do you know what the military is doing in Iraq? Have you been there?
<3> KoBushi: looked at the premium edition?
<0> it can take many different forms and levels of complexity
<5> hum nope
<2> salx, when the military told us they got Saddam, was that propaganda?
<3> TheTailor: so all the stories you get is your 1st hand account?
<3> TheTailor: the way they got saddam in a hole is propaganda.
<2> salx, I'm asking what your basis was for that false claim.
<2> salx, so you are saying he wasn't in that hole then?
<3> Saddam was captured two days prior to the "we found saddam dug in a hole' propaganda.
<0> okay .. off to work ... TGIF
<2> salx, really? How do you know that?
<3> TT: let me see if i can find the source, hang on sir
<6> so that live coverage was faked?
<2> salx, 4th Infantry is based here, the guys that found Saddam were interviewed on local tv, they were lying and you know better?
<3> TT: http://www.13wham.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=422B960A-26BA-4891-9E60-21C8818788D4
<2> salx, 13wham?
<2> Who is that?
<2> salx, you may have missed this...
<2> salx, 4th Infantry is based here, the guys that found Saddam were interviewed on local tv, they were lying and you know better?
<2> Or 13wham knows better? They were there?
<3> TheTailor: so the other marine is lying then?
<3> TT: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8219.htm
<2> What marine? 4th Infantry found Saddam, that's ARMY.
<3> "I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced,"
<3> "We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said.
<3> He said Saddam himself fired at them with a gun from the window of a room on the second floor. Then they shouted at him in Arabic: "You have to surrender. ... There is no point in resisting."
<7> errrm why is that one guy's claim preferable to all the other claims
<2> salx, I don't know where they get that ****, 4th Infantry found Saddam.
<6> saddam would have been killed had he fired at anyone
<2> salx, but as I've been telling you all along, find a credible source for your information.
<1> http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/saddam.asp <----Salx
<3> TheTailor: i dont know what's true, there are conflicting stories out there, and yes military has been carrying out plenty propaganda in iraq.
<2> salx, it's likely they print that **** for ****ers like you :-)
<7> when a high-profile target is captured, a lot of people would like ot have credit
<2> salx, again, you don't know what the military is doing in Iraq regarding propaganda or anything else, you aren't part of the military, and you are not there. Even if you were it's likely you wouldn't be in that loop.
<3> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-infowar30nov30,0,5638790.story "U.S. Military Covertly Pays to Run Stories in Iraqi Press"
<6> hahahhahahah.... yeah about the good things that are happening, whats wrong with that?
<3> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/01/06/DI2006010601518.html
<2> salx, are those stories about Zarqawi being killed?
<3> TT: no, but i said how can i trust military news when they run the propaganda machine
<2> salx, stories aren't always propaganda.
<6> so the military put Saddam in a hole just to take him out huh?
<2> salx, stories about bulding schools aren't propaganda.
<5> is something "propoganda" if it is true?
<2> KoBushi, not to my knowledge.
<7> as long as they have Saddam, the details are less important to me
<3> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/12/02/national/w163142S75.DTL "Military Explains News Propaganda in Iraq"
<4> modest proposal: maybe the Dubai Ports takeover represents the colleratilzation of the relevant ports in anticipation of the event that the US would not be able to pay its obligations.
<4> (its financial obligations to the UAE)
<2> US-Male, this all started with some silly claim Zarqawi had been killed a number of times in the press, when I pointed out he was reading the lying liberal press and should look elsewhere we got to this point, who knows how.
<7> but it would not make sense, i.e. no logical reason to catch him in a fierce battle and then drag him from a "spider-hole" two days later
<2> lol, now sfgate :-)
<8> big deal, the dems in the us overtly place stories in the us press
<7> I dunno
<8> abcbsnbcnn is nothing but dem talking points
<8> fox is about half the time
<2> salx, you might want to remember that because sfgate.com calls something propaganda, that doesn't mean it is :-)
<7> I owuld have preferred the media production of the "fierce battle" story for US propaganda
<7> *would
<7> but, the truth is not always how we want it to be
<9> fox is dem talking points?
<8> about half the time yes
<9> allrighty then
<8> funny you left out that part of my sentence
<8> turning it from a qualified to an absolute statement
<9> the fact that you think fox news is dem talking points any of the time pretty much makes a statement in itself
<7> OMG FAWX LOL
<6> well now... when Geraldo is on it is lib :D
<7> I just had to add that to the intellectual controversy.
<2> salx, where in this statement that you gave us from sfgate does the military say it's involved in propaganda? "Military officials for the first time Friday detailed and broadly defended a Pentagon program that pays to get stories published in the Iraqi media, an effort the top U.S. military commander said was part of a campaign to "get the truth out" there."
<8> the fact that you attacked a straw man pretty much tells me which side of the spectrum you're on, pink.
<5> Is propoganda "bad" or "wrong" ?
<9> US-Male: about right
<7> I think propaganda is a valuable tool --
<7> but it doesn't always mean we're lying
<10> 1984 is one of the best books on propaganda I've ever read. I'm only on page 55 or so now.
<2> KoBushi, who knows, but the point is that because the liberal press says it's being used, adn dolts like salx believe it, doesn't make it so.
<10> So applicable in today's world. Not only for politics but for "persuasive" tactics used by businesses on consumers.
<5> But not all propoganda is disengenious
<8> oh sheesh
<5> If one propogates true information; is that not a positive thing?
<6> off to work, bye all
<8> [Command] - so advertising is evil?
<7> I like PsyOps propaganda
<11> gasahol
<2> See ya JanetB
<11> it is going to become very important
<6> bye TheTailor
<8> this channel is full of gasohols :(
<10> b1ff: I was taken by a company that charged me $600 and falsely advertised about what would be given
<8> [Command] did you buy it on a credit card i hope
<11> any fuel source that is domestic will become very important
<8> cool thing is if you buy it on visa, amex they'll fight them for you
<10> b1ff: $200 through paypal and a credit card and $200 through cash
<10> I mean $400 through cash
<8> [Command] you deserved to be ripped off
<8> cash and paypal
<8> lol
<10> b1ff: Go **** yourself. :)
<5> How can you spend $600 on something w/o being 100% sure what you are going to get? :P
<8> and pay cash for it?
<8> yeah
<11> I use cash usually, but, I buy locally, not online for such large purchases
<10> KoBushi and b1ff: You'd be even more brutal if you knew what it was I bought.
<7> I only use cash when it's to my advantage, which is rarely
<8> so you like 1984 because it makes you think about being a mark who was ripped off by some internet hooligan
<5> [Command] ah well then by all means, do tell ^_^
<11> if I am paying that much loot I want to look the person in the eye
<10> b1ff: The company uses many of the techniques discussed in 1984.
<8> and so because you were ripped off by some loser, 1984 is a good treatise on "persuasive" advertising?
<4> modest proposal: maybe the Dubai Ports takeover represents the colleratilzation of the relevant ports in anticipation of the event that the US would not be able to pay its financial obligations to the banks of the UAE.
<11> US Male cash is ALWYAS in my interests
<8> [Command] they put your head in a cage and fed your face to rats???
<7> well, different people have different interests
<10> b1ff: It's a good treatise whether or not anyone was ripped off. Anyhow, I wouldn't say I was ripped off, because I learnt a lot, but the person who gave the seminar told us quite a bit of **** and was an ***hole.
<11> where possible and for no other reason then an inate feeling that folks should MYOB, I try to not leave a paper trail
<8> seminar???
<11> my demographics are MY BUSINESS and if you want them PAY ME
<5> heh; ouch
<8> you paid 600, 400 cash and 200 paypal for a SEMINAR?
<10> b1ff: You'd probably go on a berzerk flame fest if you knew what it was a seminar in. :D
<11> Barnum was right
<7> b1ff paid $300 for a penis enlargement
<8> ACTUALLY i paid 3000 for a penis reduction!
<7> haha
<7> so now you're a chick ?
<8> lol
<7> hahha
<11> some fellow called for a pitch on the phone last night. I immediately asked him for his billing address
<5> [Command] a slef-help seminar no doubt :)
<5> or perhaps even a seminar in avoiding being ripped off?
<5> that'd be cl***ic :)
<10> KoBushi: The first guess was getting warmer, but you haven't guessed it yet.
<8> pilgrim` i found that the best way to get telemarketers off the phone is to ask politely if they'd mind waiting a minute or 2 till you finish *********ing
<11> -you are using my phone I purchased, on my phone line I pay a fee to maintain, annd you are now engaging my time, All of these things have a value and by continuing to use them you have agreed to pay for their use. My review fee for listening to your pitch is $100. please provide a billing address
<5> mastibatory seminar?
<7> I used to tell telemarketers to mail their info to me with their phone number, and if I was interested I'd call them back.
<12> since it seems likely that states will be allowed to make abortions illegal in a short time, i'm wondering what pro-life people here think the punishments should be and who should be punished.
<8> lydia, doc should lose license for sure
<5> lyda the illogical leaps of logic and ***umption ingraned in that statement boggle the mind
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