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<0> and Ritalin is way overprescribed
<1> not a long term knowledge tool
<2> well ofcorse it is
<1> Herzen, no kidding
<2> its easier to give your kid a pill than it is to actualy take care of them
<3> I think its underprescribed. Imagine what a whole society on stimlants could accomplish!
<0> I find it worrying that people pop a mind-altering would-be street drug to 'cram'
<1> its prescribed by family phd's based on answers to survey questions
<3> Linus: phds?
<0> Astrodog, Take your Soma like a good dog
<3> You mean "MDs"?
<1> doctors
<3> :P
<4> chaging the alloys used in engine cylinders to alloys that are more elastic should increase engine efficiency greatly. more elastic alloys include so-called amorphous alloys.
<1> so parse me to hell
<3> Herz: Its all about the Ritalin. ;)
<0> If our society started using Ritalin on m***
<0> I'd probably leave
<3> Why?
<0> or become a Scientologist or some other crazy group that doesn't believe in medicine like that
<5> heh
<1> imagine the income from speeding tickets though!
<0> because I've known people on Ritalin and I don't like the effects of it
<3> Herz: The whole society taking speed isn't actually a bad thing, for productivity.
<5> I can't imagine any cultural change that would make Scientologists appear sensible
<0> Neither is slavery
<1> heres the thing with speed... sleep every night!
<4> the problem with the US is that it is too domesticated, with the ascendance of feminism, which is why Ritalin is prescribed.
<1> MichaelC, wow
<0> It may not be bad for productivity
<0> but its certainly undesirable
<3> Herz: Why?
<4> Linus-: yup.
<1> it would lower obesity rates!
<3> I don't see how an entire society on stimulants would inheirently be undesirable.
<3> Linus: Indeed.
<0> Why is having the entire population doped up undesirable?
<5> hmm... could MichaelC be about to tell us about male power?
<5> :)
<1> astro, if society didn't sleep we'd all be living in reno
<1> Katey-, lol
<3> Linus: So we need everyone taking Ambien, too.
<1> egads no
<1> that's much worse
<5> Well, insomnia is bad
<5> I have periodic bouts of it
<0> I don't think we should force anybody to take anything
<1> sleepiong meds are one of the most addictive and harmful pills available imo
<3> Herz: Why not?
<5> Linus-, it's my understanding that some are worse than others
<0> Astrodog, because forcing people to drug themselves for the betterment of the population is immoral
<3> inus: Alright, Docter prescribed regimines of "Vodka Shots".
<0> Thats why
<1> Katey-, tried halcyon?
<5> and if they're taken as prescribed, that they can be helpful in getting people back into a good cycle
<3> Herz: So, what if you convince everyone to do it voluntarily?
<5> Linus-, sure haven't
<1> you won't lack sleep on halcyon
<6> katey: that is just your conscious keeping you up.. I know, strange feeling for a K0S-bat...
<0> Astrodog, good luck
<1> i once took halcyon while completely amped; was asleep for ten hrs within 15 mins
<3> Linus: Every once in awhile, I get stuck in a... "Ritalin/Ambien/Ritalin/Ambien" thing. Those are always strange.
<1> ugh
<1> nice syntax Linus-
<3> If I take Ritalin for too long, sleeping becomes an issue.
<0> and you want all of society on it?
<3> Herz: If stores were open, I wouldn't have a problem.
<1> the ritalin now lasts like twice as long
<1> Astrodog, lol
<1> stores
<0> My experience with mind-altering drugs like Ritalin, is that once people start on them, they aren't the same person anymore
<0> Same with anti-depressankts
<1> and 'specially those selling sweets
<0> I usually shy away from the people who do use them
<3> Linus: There's Concerta, which lasts ~13 hours
<0> Anti-Depressants are also over prescribed
<1> concerta?
<5> Hmm. I have a good friend who's taking anti depressants
<3> And Ritalin, which gets ya ~5 hours.
<1> ritalin is longer than 5 hrs now
<3> Linus: Concerta is the brand name for extended release ritalin.
<1> oh
<1> whats the other "non-stimulant" adhd drug?
<5> Her medication has helped her be more herself than she was when depression was muffling everything
<3> Linus: There's one...
<3> But it aparently causes liver damage.
<1> it sounds like concerta
<0> anti-depressants often cause suicide
<1> referta
<3> Herz: Uh.
<5> Herzen, often?
<0> Yeah
<3> Herz: Not often.
<5> Herzen, how often?
<5> I'd say not often
<5> actually
<3> Read the literature. Very, very rarely.
<4> giving anti-depressants to women makes them disinterested in ***, which frustrates men and ultimately makes them more aggressive. the same thing happens when women are given contraceptives.
<1> i have to agree with Herzen on this one
<3> Linus: "Often" is inaccurate.
<1> it causes way too many suicides and attempts
<5> Some can have side effects, such as suicidal thoughts or behavior. That's why anyone on them should be followed closely by their doctor
<1> i don't care what the definition of often is in this case
<1> it happens too frequenmtly to go ignored
<3> Linus: Lets put it this way
<3> If, when you first become depressed
<1> kat, which they aren't
<0> I can tell you why
<3> And you get to chose, Anti-depressants, or nothing
<7> it depends on the patient, but the tendency towards suicide seems to be experienced more by children than adults
<5> anyone on mood altering medication needs to be monitored
<0> They cause some people to become more suicidal
<3> You are less likely to commit suicide on the anti-depressants.
<3> No, Herzen.
<5> Some people react badly to certain medications
<3> That isn't why. :\
<0> Generally if your on a suicide watch, they don't give you anti-depressants
<1> Katey-, unfortunately any doc can prescribe them
<5> I think that the actual concern is that many people aren't monitored when on them
<1> ding!
<1> and the rx companies know this but don't care
<3> HErzen: The physical symptoms of depression, such as being tired, tend to clear up before the mental ones.
<4> being tired isn't mental?
<5> Any medication can have side effects, many medications have some serious side effects. Every med isn't for every person. But determining that can be a trial and error sort of process
<3> THat's why you see a higher incidence of suicide. Depressed people deciding to "Do something about it."
<1> i think certain rx drugs should be limited as to what type of doc can proscribe them
<0> You see a higher incidence of suicide because many depressed people don't do it because they feel far to guilty to
<0> Once you start inhibiting negative emotions
<0> That guilt or fear lessens
<3> Herz....
<0> and boom
<3> You need to read the research on this. :\
<5> I don't think that's how those medications work
<3> Katey: Its not.
<4> whether or not depression is a disease is a subjective opinion.
<0> Astrodog, We should put everyone on Anti-Depressants
<0> Whoo
<0> Society would be much happier that way!
<3> Herzen: I didn't say that.
<3> Quit just making **** up.
<0> WEll why not?
<0> Why shouldn't we?
<1> the problem with SRIs is similar to the problem faced by long term meth abusers
<3> Herz: In people who aren't depressed, Anti-Depressants tend to cause mania.
<1> all emotions become gray
<0> So ?
<7> it's funny, the doctor i work for doesn't seem to believe depression exist, hates psychiatrist and yet sometimes gives samples of Lexapro
<0> People are super-happy!
<3> Herz: Mania has a tendancy to show up as anger, not happiness.
<7> *he's a well respected cardiologist
<0> Good, we can get angry and go get them Iranians
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