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<0> Iran could blockade the gulf, today, and it would have no impact on the Suez canal.
<1> agreed
<0> And thus
<2> I think Iran would/should just cease to exist
<1> but there is more than just oil that p***es THROUGH the Persian gulf
<2> if it did that
<0> No impact on shipping between Asia, and Europe
<2> oil ****s
<0> NOTHING p***es through the Persian Gulf.
<0> Its a cul de sac.
<2> oil is 18xx century
<0> There's nowhere to go from the Gulf, besides where you came in from.
<1> as i said , like Cars, manufactured goods, computers, cell phones, tons of ****
<3> i'll be the roundabout
<2> HEAR THAT SAUDI ARABIA??? OIL IS 18XX CENTURY
<0> Hemi: Absolutly NOTHING goes through the persian gulf. Because the gulf just ends. It doesn't connect 2 other bodies of water.
<0> Perhaps one of those "Duck" trucks, could go through it
<2> saudi arabia best start exporting solar panels :) :)
<0> Since it could start in Iraq... drive into the gulf, then swim out of it.
<3> Astrodog, you beat dead horses often?
<3> ;)
<0> Linus: Only when they deserve it.
<3> ha
<2> prkrastn8: how the hell do you like COX!?
<3> ungrateful dead
<0> Or, only when someone keeps trying to use the dead horse like some sort of sick, twisted, puppet.
<3> interesting
<1> <+Linus-> what other industry benefits from the expense involved in keeping persian gulf shipping lanes unimpeded?<---- Besides oil, and I am answering his question
<0> Hemi: All of the things you're listing, are entirely dependant on the oil.
<3> `426Hemi, no other american industry on anywhere near the scale
<0> If the oil goes away, no one will even try to send things into the gulf.
<3> it's indirect corporate welfare, and it's very chic these days
<0> Linus: Would you like a Gucci bag, to do with your indirect corporate welfare?
<3> walmart plays the game well
<0> *go
<3> though not via the pentagon arm
<3> Astrodog, sure!
<1> we get sand from Persian gulf, iron pelets , all kindsa ****
<0> Sand?
<1> fertilizers
<1> yes sand
<1> for cement and such
<0> ...
<2> mmmm blacktop
<0> Your claim is now that we SHIP SAND FROM ACROSS THE PLANET, AS OPPOSED TO JUST GETTING THE SAND THAT'S ALREADY HERE?!
<2> let's pave the earth
<3> `426Hemi, do you honestly think the usa would invest so much military spending into keeping persian gulf open if there was no oil coiming out of it?
<1> Industries:
<1> crude oil production and refining, natural and liquefied natural gas (LNG) production, construction, cement, copper, steel, chemicals, optic fiber
<1> thats just out of Oman
<0> Linus: We can't have a SAND SHORTAGE.
<2> Linus-: that much investment would be better spent on hydrogen research
<3> heh
<1> Industries:
<1> petroleum, fishing, aluminum, cement, fertilizers, commercial ship repair, petrochemicals, construction materials, some boat building, handicrafts, textiles
<3> Pigeon, or just about anything
<1> thats UAE
<3> `426Hemi, answer my simple direct query
<2> Linus-: or nothing BUT
<3> do you honestly think the usa would invest so much military spending into keeping persian gulf open if there was no oil coming out of it?
<2> Linus-: you mean
<0> Why, if the gulf was blockaded, the price of sand would go from, "Almost nothing" to "Negligibly more than almost nothing".
<4> the persian gulf is how oil leaves saudi arabia
<2> Linus-: hydrogen research is the most important
<1> Industries:
<1> crude oil production, petroleum refining, basic petrochemicals, ammonia, industrial gases, sodium hydroxide (caustic soda), cement, construction, fertilizer, plastics, commercial ship repair, commercial aircraft repair
<0> Null: Well, the Gulf, and the Red Sea.
<1> thats Saudi Arabia
<3> Pigeon, hydrogen being a pollution free energy source is still a fallacy
<0> Hemi: The thing is, we use almost none of that. Its almost all internal, to the gulf.
<1> Industries:
<1> crude oil production and refining, ammonia, fertilizers, petrochemicals, steel reinforcing bars, cement, commercial ship repair
<2> Linus-: it's not about pollution-free, that's YOUR fallacy
<1> thats Qatar
<1> everyone get the picture here?
<2> Linus-: it's about being IMPORT-FREE
<1> look at the one thing they all have in common besides Oil
<1> CEMENT
<3> Pigeon, so it wasn't you railing on about fossil fuels causing cancer?
<0> Hemi: That's stuff that, besides the oil, we don't care about.
<1> SAND
<0> We have our own cement.
<0> We don't import theirs. :P
<1> if you think so go ahead
<3> 426, why do you avoid my simple question?
<1> why not do some research on it instead of talking out your *** as usual
<1> yes Linus?
<2> Linus-: not when the hydrogen is being electrolyzed from photovoltaics and tachovoltaics, that's pure. :) :)
<0> Linus: Its more fun to make **** up about the "Cement Shortage" our children will be facing.
<3> do you honestly think the usa would invest so much military spending into keeping persian gulf open if there was no oil coming out of it?
<2> Linus-: so what about being pollution?
<1> yes, because we have Israel there
<0> OHHH THE HUMANITY! WE'VE RUN OUT OF CEMENT! WHEREVER WILL WE GET MORE?! Oh... wait.... there's this whole beach thing...
<2> israel is useless
<0> Hemi: And ISreal is related to the Persian Gulf... how?
<2> and palestineans are even more useless
<1> not to mention its a strategic position in the world
<3> would we care about israel as much if middle east was barren of oil?
<0> Linus: Even if we did.
<1> yes, why wouldn't we?
<2> puny religions
<0> What does that have to do with the persian gulf?
<3> Astrodog, WHO KNOWS
<5> Israel doesnt have any oil
<2> so what does it have to do with producing energy
<3> sometimes i get swept down illogical stream
<2> producing food
<1> Linus think of it like this, why are we friends with Israel????
<2> WHAT ABOUT PRODUCING THE THINGS WE ALL NEED
<0> Hemi: Jews make all the best sitcoms. Duh. What do you think?
<1> we could make our lives alot simpler if we just cosied up to Saudi and the arabs, and said **** Israel
<2> and stop bickering about meaningless crap
<3> because they provide us military strength in area rich with oil?
<4> `426Hemi how about we just nuke them both
<1> we alreayd HAVE military dumb ***
<2> but you don't have food
<2> no wonder people are upset
<1> we have some of the largest bases in the world in places like Qatar, dubai and other places
<2> feed your own people
<1> we don't have a military base in Israel
<3> and for what reason???
<1> Linus what part of this aren't you getting
<1> we don't NEED to be allied with Israel
<3> israel is a military base stocked with US weaponry
<1> LOL!
<1> dude
<0> Hemi: The relationship between Isreal, and the Persian Gulf, for one.
<2> are you really all bots? who is real here?
<1> what PART OF THIS AREN"T YOU GETTING?
<3> you're off your rocker evben more so today
<1> WE do not NEED Israel
<1> no you're just being a dumb ***
<1> heh
<0> Hemi: Back up a moment. How is Isreal related to the Persian Gulf?
<6> lol
<3> do oil companies benefit from US military presence in gulf region or do they not?
<1> Obviously
<0> Linus: Which oil companies?
<1> no one is saying they don't
<1> but so do alot of other things
<0> Domestics certainly don't.... some of the majors do.
<3> then after the obvious answer, how much do they benefit relative to other corporations offering different products/services?
<2> oil is a complete waste
<1> they benefit the same, with more profit
<0> ...
<1> OH NOES! Oil companies make a profit!
<0> The same, with more profit...
<3> the same as US Sand & Gravel?
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