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Comments:
<0> I can't wait to get hands on oil fields in iran
<1> that would be ignorance
<0> not, 'I'
<2> And that guy in austria got 3 years for teaching that the holocaust was made up by jews to gain sympathy.
<0> but - US
<0> cheaper gas folks
<2> What is up with those countries?
<3> DrDetr0it: that freak *** policy was set up by us and I'm just fine with leaving it alone.
<2> Inciting hatred isn't against the law.
<1> i hoped we had moved beyond a century ago
<0> agreed bob
<2> Inciting violence is.
<3> sintient: inciting the population to hatred against a religious group is illegal in germany
<2> I know thanks.
<2> He didn't get charged with incitement.
<4> incitement is the INTENTION to provoke hostility
<1> people are good
<0> ?
<0> no way
<2> Great obfuscate the conversation to death.
<0> people define 'good'
<3> `426Hemi: in Germany selling articles that express hatred of a religious group is incitement
<1> stop trying to prove people are bad dammit
<2> People are inherently bad.
<2> Or maybe I meant to say innately.
<1> sintient: nooo :)
<4> as it should be
<2> Of course has a baby ever done anything nice for you?
<2> We are taught and conditioned to be nice.
<3> sintient: what was he charged with if not incitement?
<2> Maligning a religion.
<5> insulting religion
<1> sintient: nice to a baby? stop having babies ;)
<0> funny - bush admin can't ask these imaginery 'terrorists' to sit down for a lunc with him
<0> to try and work it all out
<0> every other nation works that way
<2> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060223/wl_nm/crime_religion_germany_dc_2
<2> There now you know as much as I do on that topic.
<2> He was charged with insulting Islam.
<2> And recieved one year in jail.
<1> contraception++
<2> I thought that europe -britain had the best response to the cartoon unproar.
<2> US and Britain came off sounding like people shouldn't express their real thoughts.
<1> i just ignored that so-called uproar
<2> You don't work at an emb***y I am sure.
<1> i don't work for anyone but myself
<2> I wonder if the soldiers guarding the Italian Emb***y had that luxury to ignore the uproar.
<1> tards
<1> look
<4> heh, maligning a religion is just a different term for incitement
<2> No it isn't.
<1> for someone to get upset over a cartoon??
<2> Insulting and inciting something are not even close.
<1> damn, that's STUPID
<2> Saying you **** is one thing and saying you **** andd should be ***aulted is another.
<1> that's like getting upset over IRC
<4> the guy printed our Koran on toilet paper and was handing them out in front of mosques for the purpose of provoking a reaction
<4> out
<2> The reaction wasn't to kill anyone.
<1> you couldn't print karan on TP, could you?
<2> Or to attack anyone.
<1> that's bogus
<4> heh
<4> only in your own perception
<2> What?
<1> nobody could print karan on TP with a laerjet
<2> What is your proof he tried to get someone battered?
<4> show me the article i can't seem to find it anyway
<2> If anything he was putting himself in danger.
<2> I just posted it.
<2> Scroll up.
<4> WHICH IS INCITEMENT
<4> hehehheeh
<1> it's SO immaterial it's BOGUS
<4> good lord
<2> Here look he is a good guy he should be hugged and kissed... is that incitement and is it against the law?
<1> sintient: who?
<2> Hypothetical.
<4> Manfred van H. printed out sheets of toilet paper bearing the word "Koran" shortly after a group of Muslims carried out a series of bomb attacks in London in July 2005. He sent the paper to German television stations, magazines and some 15 mosques.
<4> Prosecutors said that in an accompanying letter Manfred van H. called Islam's holy book a "cookbook for terrorists."
<2> So it was just his opinion.
<4> opinion can be INCITEMENT
<2> He didn't call for anything.
<1> who
<4> his actions were enough
<2> He wasn't charged with incitement boar head.
<2> He was charged with insulting.
<2> It is a different law and not congruent to incitement.
<4> the german language might not even have the word INCITEMENt
<4> heh
<2> English is germanic.
<3> `426Hemi: it does
<2> They likely do.
<2> Oh,
<1> of course it has incitement
<5> The maximum sentence for insulting religious beliefs under the German criminal code is three years in prison.
<1> past tense: incited
<3> `426Hemi: I know, in particular, that zundel was charged with inciting the population
<2> Insulting beliefs is not incitement it is insulting beliefs.
<1> don't call 2000 years ago
<1> there's no science in that
<3> incitement is not insulting beliefs it is incitement thank you drive through
<2> Exactly.
<2> I don't want to hear someone say "oh that law is just like one we have in the US.
<5> Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.
<1> incite <> insult thank you, **** in your ear
<1> i don't want to advance anything at all
<2> The hatred has to incite those things.
<4> The next installment of his legal struggles began in 1985, when Zundel was charged under Section 177 of the Criminal Code of Canada for "knowingly publishing false news."
<5> here, the actual german code
<5> Whoever publicly or by means of spreading written material insults religious or world view in a manner that could reasonably be deemed able to disturb the public peace, is to be punished by up to three years in prison or a fine.
<2> If it is just hatred for the fun of it is ok?
<3> `426Hemi: that was in canada not germany
<4> Zundel was convicted on February 26, 1985, of publishing false news about the Holocaust.
<4> i am getting there
<5> Whoever publicly or by means of spreading written material ridicules a domestic church, religious society or ideological group, its facilities or customs in a manner deemed able to disturb the public peace, is to be punished similarly.
<1> bud`: unfortunate as it is, english is the language here
<3> germany is not canada it is germany kthx
<1> i am atheist
<3> Pigeon: do you shove food up your butt
<1> don't pin me down as this or that
<5> Blasphemy is illegal in Germany.
<2> I think my point was that the netherlands had such a nice response to the cartoon uproar and then to find out that germany has such restrictive laws it made me think twice.
<1> when we are all starving we should help each other all to eat
<2> Thanks.
<2> That is nice.
<2> What do you do Pideo?
<1> I am starving, too
<2> How do you employ youself?
<1> sintient: seriously? myself
<2> Didn't you say you work for yourself?
<5> blah blah raise taxes, feed the poor, bring the troops home, do you know how much goddamn food the food bank here throws away
<1> bud`: i've heard of that craptastic mismanagement
<5> starving in USA = your foodstamp debit card doesnt quite afford you the prime rib
<1> bud`: lack of intelligence
<2> Food is perishable.
<4> hehhe i can find no german equivalent to the word incitement, in english its "incitement" in german i can't find a word that would equate to it
<1> bud`: i know, i've listened to the deaf
<2> It isn't equated to insult.
<1> no, it isn't
<1> this is only irc and we can only be here for one reason
<2> I know people in here that would copy/paste your mistake and make you prove it.
<1> help
<4> <4> anyone here speak german, I need to know the german word for incitement please if there is one
<4> [06:37] <Sven`away> anregung/anreiz/triebfeder
<4> [06:38] <Sven`away> not easy to translate it literally
<2> Pigeon you said you worked only for yourself what did that mean?
<2> Tribe Feeder that one sounds nice.
<2> An rise, that one is probly it.
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