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<0> It works damn well in Sweden and Chile
<1> Means-testing. That's the best shot we have at amending the system.
<2> There's no guarentee that it would remain solvent
<0> The only two countries in the world smart enought o have privatized it
<3> Free: Right now, SS consists of US Treasury Monds.
<4> Yankee27 has gay *** with teh Boston Redsox
<5> I enjoy the discussion
<3> *Bonds
<0> Astro, it consists of IOUs
<3> No.
<3> Its federal bonds.
<0> YES
<1> There's no guarantee that ANY system will remain solvent. So that's a poor excuse for paralysis.
<6> there is a growning number of americans who believe that privatization is the solution to everything
<7> better than red sox than the yankees
<7> than=the
<4> --->><7> better than red sox than the yankees
<0> Dont ****ing give me this no **** that your 21 year old *** knows it all.
<4> check your nick
<6> *growing
<3> Free: That's what a federal bond IS. However, the SS bonds are ALREADY accounted for, in the US Budget.
<0> The secretary of the treasury in an interview said it was IOUs
<2> If anything i believe a public system is more likely to stay solvent than a private one
<1> Astrodog: federal bonds *are* IOUs.
<3> Free: A Federal Bond IS an IOU.
<7> it's got nothing to do with the yankees.....I haven't liked them since Mattingly retired.
<3> But
<2> For all we know our economy could go to ****
<3> Those bonds are already "counted" against the budget.
<0> And they went to treasury and they said it is literally IOUs
<0> money borrowed to spend on the general fund
<3> Free: That's what a bond IS. Its already accounted for in the budget, though.
<0> Those bonds have no gurantee of value either
<3> Yes, they do.
<8> type "i see the message" if you see this!
<0> Astro, Its not all bonds
<3> They carry a consititutional garuntee, FT.
<9> i see you occ
<8> ok, nobody else type it.
<8> :D
<0> A LOT OF IT WAS BORROWED IN THE 60s and 70s
<1> type STFU, dammit
<1> :)
<0> sorry for yellign but i have to get your attention
<4> it
<7> if debate and knowledge depended on age, TomM would know more than any of us.
<6> occ, are you trying to get kicked?
<3> Free: Those bonds are already accounted for, in the federal budget.
<0> It was borrowed and spent on the great society
<8> dukes: come off it
<0> It was borrowd and spent on the keynesian fiscal policy of the 50s and 60s and 70s except for the short time of properity in the 60s right after tax cuts
<0> there was no properity in the 50s
<10> it was borrowed because congress and the president didn't have the guts to tax people to get the money they wanted to spend instead
<2> Keynesian policy worked fine
<0> we had 0 economic growth
<2> yeah... 0 economic growth in the 50's and 60's?
<3> Free: It wasn't "Borrowed", exactly. The SS fund purchased federal treasury bonds.
<0> and we had good growth in the mid 60s and a complete disastor in the 70s.
<9> TONBRIDGE (Reuters) - Police said they arrested two people on Thursday in connection with the armed robbery of up to 50 million pounds ($87 million), perhaps the biggest such crime in British history.
<10> what? when was the first year that social security was borrowed?
<8> hey
<10> and when was MOST of it borrowed?
<3> ajof: Its first year of existing
<3> It bought federal treasury bonds.
<0> Republicans took over the government and the last 2 fed chairman were conservative or libertian fiscally and since 1982 the economy has been on a roll.
<0> despite the doptbomb.
<0> But the problem now isnt our productivity which is extremely high
<10> The borrowed social security funds amount to 22% of the national debt. That's some borrowing.
<0> or our very high per capita production and income, the problem is purely demographics.
<9> The Donald wasn't backing down yesterday in his feud with Martha Stewart - calling her a "moron" and taking pride in his poison-pen letter to her.
<3> ajofi: Right. They're already accounted for, in the budget.
<0> The baby boomers are going to retire, AT THE SAME TIME
<9> haha martha and donald are feuding
<0> And its going to overwhelm the system
<4> Martha will eat him alive
<0> Its going to be cut way back OR we have to basically invent the next computer equivalent in technology
<4> she will shank his azzz!
<4> Martha learned how to be bad*** in prison
<0> We need an economic miracle to save us from social security
<7> USM wants to see his ***!!!!
<4> Yankee27 is a homo***ual
<0> Seriously, We need a major nanotech breakthrough
<10> Yeah right like the end to war.
<7> USM is a pedophile
<4> Yankee27 rapes kittens and babies
<0> or a major energy breakthrough which could lower energy costs to maybe 50 a month for everything.
<7> USM rapes dead bodies
<0> Im just tossing out a number 50
<4> Yankee27 dates his grandmother
<10> space shuttle batteries
<7> uSM is my grandmother
<0> but if you could make energy abundant and cheap you could do a lot to take the costs out of living and out of manufacturing.
<4> heh
<10> no really space shuttle batteries
<0> Also Global warming if it occurs will help us through the baby boom.
<10> they're just too big right now
<3> Free: That's not a huge change, ya know. We could knock a good 30% off energy costs, right now.
<0> If it happens, global warmign it should mean more mild winters.
<10> but they produce enough excess energy to power a neighborhood
<3> FT: And hotter summers. More A/C.
<10> so imagine a space shuttle battery that would power your car and a few houses
<3> ;)
<10> solve the oil issue
<0> But there is no real proof that its happening right now, last year we broke records for cold.
<0> This year we broke records for warm
<10> and the antiquated electrical power grid issue
<0> but you know every year Ive been alive a record has been broken somewhere.
<9> After nearly a dozen years as the minority party in Congress, Democratic Party leaders have apparently lost their groove.
<9> A new Zogby poll of 1,039 likely voters reveals 58 percent of Democratic voters believe their leaders should "accept a lower position in Congress and work together with Republicans to craft the best legislation possible.
<4> NEW YORK (AP) - The owner of a biomedical supply house was charged along with three other men Thursday with secretly carving up corpses and selling the parts for use in transplants across the country.
<0> I dont know if Global warming will continue, There is no way to know, I just hope it does.
<4> this will freak some ppl out
<2> lol you hope it does?
<4> damn right, the world is too cold
<0> Trends can reverse themselves any time.
<11> every year, weather records are broken somewhere
<4> we need more beach space
<11> hot or cold
<0> mudflipp exactly right
<4> "Prosecutors said the defendants obtained the bodies from funeral parlors in three states and forged death certificates and organ donor consent forms to make it look as if the bones, skin, tendons, heart valves and other tissue were legally removed. The defendants made millions of dollars from the scheme, prosecutors said.
<4> "
<2> Ok I'm scared now.
<4> be afraid. Be very afraid.
<2> i am lol
<0> Astro, I am hopeful we can knock a lot off energy costs there is a new lightbulb technology which uses far less electricity than even flourescent.
<9> A cable television network co-founded by former Vice President Al Gore is facing at least two lawsuits challenging its use of the name Current TV. "This is a straight-forward case of trademark infringement," according to briefs filed last month in U.S. District Court
<7> http://www.glumbert.com/media/spicegirls.html <----Viedo of USM and his BF singing.
<1> CometBaby: why would that be a "lower" position? They can't get any lower than where they are right now.
<0> IMagine lighting your home on 200 watts
<7> Video
<9> lol
<10> yes and a Zogby poll also revealed 52% want Congress to consider impeaching Bush if he wiretapped without a judge's approval.
<2> i get cold as easy as anyone else here, probably moreso and i live in a cold environment, (Utah) but global warming is bad..
<0> Thats 2 amps
<3> Free: My home is lit with about that.
<12> stevie was axed from american idol
<4> we need more global warming. I hate snow
<0> I dont know if global warming is bad and noone will until the time happens.
<0> It may be good
<2> move to a warm climate
<0> especially for certain people.
<0> maybe it will be a huge boon to africa.
<2> it may be devastating for other peopl
<2> e
<8> well, whatever we do, lets make sure we continue to divide global warming along political lines
<8> rather than evaluating the scientific legitimacy of the phenomenon ;)
<0> who knows, it could rain their more and they could get their lush forrests back like they had 100k years ago.
<12> you get drought in many places and alot of rain in some places also you get many hurrican katrina and landslide
<0> Its not bad, it just re shuffles the deck of cards
<2> or it could cause flooding and landslides and m***ive amounts of death
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