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<0> yup
<1> truth
<0> while I agree that the Demos need to be more agressive (they seem to polite/pansyish), Dean isn't the way to go
<1> hoho's gr*** roots dried out
<1> Democrats are plenty agressve, but they have nothing to be agressive about.
<0> Barak Obama...aggressive, but did it in a clean, sensible manner
<0> now that's all GOP spin "They have no plan"
<0> its hard to get your issues heard when you're in the minority
<2> who can garner more nutty protestors: pro-abortion nuts? or anti-abortion nuts?
<1> are they gonna bitch about Bush's spending? doubtful more likely whine about WHAT it was spent on, are the donks going to gain any traction with Corruption? maybe some, but not as much as they need. Abortion? like it or not thats a dead horse. what else is there? terror? a loser for the donks.
<0> "pro-abortion" is a disgusting term
<0> pro-choice does NOT mean "pro-abortion"
<2> fine, abortion-rights
<1> Barak is toast, his unity bull**** went down the drain aafter he defended Hillary
<0> that's conservativo spin
<0> again
<3> l0c0: it is about "abortion", hence, "abortion" should be in the name
<1> He had a chance to score one for the good guys, but Barak narked to the Spin
<0> hillary scares me
<2> I refuse to call it pro-choice.
<3> and it is not about "choice", as that is obviously a wrong label, as democrats are NOT "pro choice" on m***ive number of issues
<3> IMHO: the ONLY people who can rightfully claim "pro choice", are those who admit that "the right to privacy" apply to everything, including doing drugs in your own home, to owning a machine gun
<0> imagine having Hillary as your mother in law?
<0> sheesh
<0> talk about MiL from hell
<0> ahha
<3> l0c0: you sir, are DISGUSTING!
<1> thats the thing. Abortion is not a privacy thing, its a health thing, something the GOV should not be ****ing with, beyond a role of regulating and Judicial to settle our issues.
<4> The Democrats wobbling on the war and national security does not deserve the presidency. I dont care who you have but he has to be steadfast, thats one quality which is essential in foreign policy. And Foreign policy is primarily the Presidents job.
<0> Lupine: haha
<3> Darth: right, if it was a "privacy thing" then it would apply to ALL things that do not affect anyone else
<0> where was hillary from? illinios?
<1> Barak had a chance to call for unity, but he blew it. just another Donkey's ***.
<2> yeah, Park Ridge, IL.
<2> 20 mins from me.
<3> besides, "privacy" is bull****, as it is done in an abortion clinic.. you have "reasonable cause" when you see them walk into it
<3> darth: yep
<1> Bingo
<5> Abortion is an issue that can be settled at the state level with minimal unrest, and therefore should.
<4> The world says they dont like america.. Ok, But they do respect us, we are consistant. I would rather be respected than loved. but its nice if you can be both. Now you might love a democrat but with a record in foreign policy which was all over the map and constantly changing you cant respect him.
<4> The world whatever they tell you, They respect power.
<1> Pickle Bingo
<0> even though I never voted for him, I like Bill
<0> liked
<4> That isnt to say abuse of power, but it is to say power properly used.
<1> **** I have to quit procrastinating, later folks
<6> FreeTrade-- Power gains respect and anger
<4> No matter how much you are against the war in Iraq, You can not say there is not humanitarian and geopolitical good which has come from the war, so far.
<4> No
<3> FT: when you get a chance, I suggest you read this editorial.. I found it to be excellent [ despite its source ] http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0123/p25s01-cogn.html
<4> Power is the currency of foreign relations.
<4> You have no power, noone wants to play with you.
<4> YOu have power people take you seriously and come to the table.
<0> Freetrade: i dunno...i don't see that much has changed in the region
<7> especially if your the big boy
<4> Ive known this intuitively since a child.
<6> Fretless -- Everyone has a time in the sun.
<4> The world understands power and particularly the belligerent nations.
<0> Freetrade: IMO, Iraq's become a terrorist training ground. It's more dangerous now to us and the people of Iraq than when Saddam was in power making threats.
<4> Its not North Korea changing policy should they, because its the nice thing to do, Its because American power stands in their way of pursuing destabilizing goals.
<4> Same with iran.
<6> I agree power is respected when used with proper restraint
<4> American Power kept syria from retaliating against Lebanon.
<4> American power, convinced Libya to give up the terrorist game.
<4> Its not longer a terrorist state and we didnt need a war.
<4> not = no
<0> Freetrade: i have a feeling that NK will eventually collapse or the people will revolt
<3> FT: I believe it was also important in staying russia's hand with the Ukraine
<0> they can't go on starving forever
<4> American power by historical standards is being used with a lot of restraint.
<6> If American power is seen as a high threat, other countries join in a coalition against us
<4> People may debate me on this, but if you deny it you have not read US history, or world history for that matter.
<6> FreeTrade -- British model of empire would not say we use retraint
<0> FT: i agree with that staatement (about US power restraint)
<4> Lupine absolutely the prescense and unpredictability of America helped suppress Putins coup by election attempt in the Ukraine.
<4> No question.
<2> why does aaaman nick look familiar?
<0> FT: which was why I was rather dismayed about a "pre-emptive war" in Iraq)
<6> FreeTrade -- If you use Hitler as an example, there is no doubt regarding our restraint
<3> AAA: at the same time, if you take it off the table, you become the preverbial paper tiger
<6> British use trade as a weapon, navy as a weapon, but did not have a large standing army
<3> those ***holes like Kerry "I voted to use force, but didn't actually wanted to use force, I only wanted to threaten them.." is ***inine
<6> British had huge success at little cost
<4> Bush and Reagan have two things in common which made them and make Bush great foreign policy presidents. People dont know whether either of them would use military power. they knew each of them considered military power as a means of projecting power. Whether its to dethrone a tryant in Iraq, or convince Libya to not take chances with america.
<4> The beauty of it after some military actions, this happened with both presidents, Less military action was needed in the future.
<3> FT: right, power does nothing if everyone knows you only bluff
<0> which bush?
<4> because the weight of the word is strong when you show at time you will back it with power.
<6> Reagan did not have many successful military operations
<4> Bush 43 is the best war president post cold war.
<0> b/c plenty of people knew Dubya was targeting Iraq before he took office
<4> And one of the best pre cold war.
<8> do any of you find yourselves in situations where all the people in a group are talking about how much they hate Bush and you don't speak up when they all go bash-wild?
<2> what makes him so?
<3> l0c0: of course, SOMEONE had to do clinton's job :P
<4> Its hard to compare him to Rossevelt because it was apples and oranges.
<8> I am constantly in these situations. Everyone I know hates Bush with a p***ion.
<4> WW2 vs Iraq.. Not the same.
<4> But in the long run potentially of equal importance.
<3> post Dec 7, 1941.. not many in america were against the use of force
<0> Lupine: you mean screw up?
<3> l0c0: lol.. naw, clinton didn't screw up, he used a surrigate cigar
<0> Lupine: Clinton SCREWS....Dubya SCREWS UP
<9> salstress nope, but then my critisizm is usually about how they arrive at thier's :)
<0> :-P
<8> if world war 2 happened now we would NOT have won it.
<4> if its the beggining of the transformation of the muslim world to peace and democractic representation.
<2> It's not as if Iraq or Afghanistan were strong opponents.
<9> salstress not so much disagree with them, so much as disagreeing with how they arrived at thier decision
<3> sal: well.. the world would probably not be around
<4> Turkey has it but in the middle east its new.
<4> Well Bush didnt go to war over wmds.
<4> And he didnt invent them
<4> He believed as did almost everyone that wmd existed, so that argument should go away
<10> so what did they actually say, as their original reason
<10> i can't remember
<0> i did my taxes last night
<0> quick
<4> Bush stated a dozen reasons or so for dealing with Iraq, Or more pointedly, Saddam and his thugs.
<0> and easy...but for cripes sake, cost me $29 to e-file
<0> that's insane
<2> oooh...$29.00
<4> First of all under Bush 41 and Clinton Regime change was US policy
<4> officially so by an act of congress i believe under Clinton.
<4> But remember after the 1st Iraq war ?
<2> You act like $29 is hard to come by.
<0> Yankee: its the reasons for that 29$
<0> Yankee: $16 to e-file...fine
<4> Remember all the experts who then second guessed Bush 43 wrongly, They all said that we weakened Iraq enough that a coup was inevitable ?
<9> HAHA
<6> FreeTrade -- What is the regime change process? Is it invasion?
<0> Yankee: but then they charge $13 so that you don't have to use your credit card.
<2> if you're getting a decent return, that $29 is nothing.
<4> Well it wasn;t.
<9> This is tottaly off-topic, but check out the animation on this forum : http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk./viewthread.php?tid=1328
<9> hallarious
<0> yankee: basically, they're charging you $13 for the ability to spend $15
<0> haha
<0> its silly
<4> And to be honest with you in hind sight, Bush 41 left a war unfinished which is a mistake.
<4> which is why you have wars called 1 and 2.
<2> did it save you a lot of time?
<3> FT: yep, we were at war with Saddam for 13 years
<4> There should have only been one Iraq war.
<10> does anyone here think that the iraqi's would have been able to rebel against Saddam? (I don't, just curious)
<3> l0c0: now, you DID deduct that $29, right?
<4> But Bush 41 acted on faith.
<4> Bush 43 acted with determination.
<6> Powell Doctrine -- If you brake it, you own it. Who wants Iraq?
<0> Lupine: i should on next year's :-P
<9> FreeTrade it was the UN which prevented the US from finishing the Gulf War
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