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Comments:
<0> jhicks: Significantly more useless.
<1> Astrodog: I am saying that there are no licenses in that band issued except to Radion Amateurs on a shared basis with ISM.
<2> evening Jakyl
<3> like 160 K PER CHANNEL
<4> Astrdog: impossible
<5> hi kali!
<1> Radio, that is.
<4> JAKYL DAMMIT
<3> XM WILL one day get 160 k ps ber channel
<2> Jakyl -- Arts back live tonight and every weekend now...
<0> jhicks: Unregulated, RF devices simply won't work. Too many things, so too much noise.
<5> Kaliuna: sat and sun?
<4> Astrodog: bah
<6> I think ham radio needs to give up some amount of spectrum, perhaps in exchange for more flexibility in spectrum use. the liberated spectrum should become unlicensed, like the ISM band
<2> Jakyl - yup -- Ian announced it last night -- Art will be doing Sat & SUn from now on -- every weekend
<4> Astrodog: most people are too dumb to operate RF stuff
<0> jhicks: Almost everything people use is RF stuff.
<7> arthur q. kazoo
<0> Cell phones, car radios, TV.
<4> Astrodog: bleh
<8> hernick: you're not a ham, then I take it?
<4> Pirate Radio rules
<9> hey Astrodog
<0> Yo.
<5> jhicks: wanna hear cool? I went out last night with a friend. We went and played nine ball at a local billiards place. I was inspecting their bar and damned if they didn't haev both Ezra Brooks and Maker's Mark.
<4> 100 watts minimum
<5> jhicks: I've found a new watering hole.
<1> e-Hernick: Hams do not hold very much desireable specturm that isn't already shared-use.
<4> Jakyl: woohoo
<7> jakyl has his own merry-go-round with horses
<9> well it must be decent if you're here. you think too much like me :)
<1> e-Hernick: The main bands of interest to amateurs are too low to be really ***y.
<4> Ham operators++++
<0> Deryl: Its.... different here.
<4> Yaakov: not true
<9> duly noted :)
<8> everyone wants to take away amateur frequencies
<10> I know in the carribean, ham radios are often the only connection to the outside world, post hurricanes
<2> Lupine -- its not that they weren't -- there is this thing called ya need electricity...
<0> Too many repubs. ;)
<5> I had to ban redfish from my merry-go-round ebcause he was trying to mate with the wodden horses
<10> OcDoc: well, with the eminent domain ruling, its only a matter of time.
<4> Yaakov: lots 440 these days
<4> and higher
<8> LUpine: prolly
<10> Kaliuna; eh? many ham operators have a power source
<6> the lower ham bands aren't a problem
<9> Astrodog: threatswatch.org and then hit http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/593298A0-3C1A-4EB4-B29D-EA1A9678D922.htm. tell me what you think
<1> jhicks: HF, 6m, 2m, 1,25m, 70cm
<0> jhicks: Without regulation, it all goes to wattage, basically.
<6> but if I remember, they do have some spectrum adjacent to ISM, which is quite valuable
<7> carousel
<4> Astrodog: good
<2> Lupine - many do - but unfortunately not all of them. oh and there were some who were on air....
<0> jhicks: That's... incredibly bad.
<1> jhicks: Those are all very low compared to what people want for new wireless apps.
<6> and they have some between 1ghz-6ghz which could be useful too
<0> Because one company could dominate all of RF media trivially.
<1> e-Hernick: There are six SHARED ISM channels in 2.4GHz.
<4> Yaakov: what e-Hernick said
<4> Astrodog: a pin in a waveguide will fix those bastards
<1> e-Hernick: And there are some allocations, again shared, higher up.
<4> (or coax)
<8> MARS used to broadcast phone calls between military overseas and home
<9> i remember MARS
<1> e-Hernick: But most hams live below 500 MHz.
<8> I don't know if they still do that
<6> Yaakov: they don't have any exclusives between 1-6ghz?
<9> used that when I was stationed in Korea. and yes, they still do
<2> Doc - hi -- using cell phones --
<1> e-Hernick: I can't say for sure. I would have to check.
<4> e-Hernick: yes they do
<4> and higher
<8> Kaliuna: I would guess that cell phones have replaced radio
<4> Gunn diode tranceivers for 10Ghz
<8> jhicks: fry your nads
<6> jhicks: well, higher there's not so much crowding
<2> Doc -- for most part, but not completely...
<4> OcDoc: don't point them at YOUR nads
<8> jhicks: heh
<1> e-Hernick: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/Hambands_color.pdf
<8> two meter repeater
<7> jhicks cares about his fertility
<0> jhicks: You couldn't even get near them.
<8> two meter FM repeaters
<4> bah, i've don't my part
<0> Think about what happens if its all about wattage.
<4> Astrodog: I HAD ONE
<4> sheesh
<0> multi MW transmitters don't get ****ed with.
<4> er, i've done my part rather
<0> They fry whoever tries. Heh.
<1> By the way, we have EVERYTHING above 300GHz :)
<8> Astrodog: I say deregulate and let them shoot it out
<0> Doc: It wouldn't work.
<4> Oh, I thought you meant a gunn diode tranceiver Astrodog
<9> OcDoc: MARS is stil in operation, but the military has added kiosk banks of email+video apps to various overseas postings. depending on your location (and the inet lines outbound) you'll use either the old MARS or the new systems
<8> Astordog: I don't care
<8> heh
<4> Astrodog: A projectile then
<0> It'd just fry a bunch of electronics, and make RF useless.
<8> DEryl: I see
<4> RF is already useless
<9> just a little fyi :)
<4> Look at the silly programming!
<8> Astrodog: good
<0> jhicks: Hell, if it really came down to it, you might see a GW transmitter. You'd be lucky to have a bullet or somesuch even get to it. :P
<0> Doc: How is that good?
<8> Deryl: ty
<1> e-Hernick: Look as the tiny slices up high, 10-50 MHz
<9> np
<8> Astrodog: because I'm tired of discussing it ... ;-)
<4> Astrodog: practice makes perfect, you don't have to make the first shot
<0> All it would do is take what we have now, and make it useless.
<1> OcDoc: I have a 440 machine.
<4> Yaakov: FSTV?
<0> jhicks: You couldn't get close enough to shoot it.
<6> Yaakov: XM got 12.5mhz
<6> Yaakov: around 2ghz..
<8> Yaakov: I been out of radio for a long time ... I don't know what that is
<4> Astrodog: sure you could
<1> e-Hernick: That is one user, though.
<0> jhicks: At 1GW... nothing would be near it.
<6> Yaakov: I say that the hams are sitting on lots of useful bandwidth that they're wasting at present
<1> jhicks: No, a repeater.
<4> bah, skeerdy kat
<11> yo
<6> Yaakov: how much would ham suffers if you took 2/3 of these higher bands and made them unlicensed
<1> e-Hernick: Actually, I don't really care about many of the microwave allocations. They could be reduced.
<8> I had a Yaesu FTDX five watt with a Heathkit kilowatt amp for morse code
<6> I'm not saying that the FCC should take away the 2m band..
<4> long ago I had a Henry Tempo One and a Yaesu FT101D
<6> or the lower bands, either, those aren't quite so valuable anyway
<8> used to make my hair stand on end when I powered up
<1> e-Hernick: They took a piece of 220Mhz for no good reason.
<4> OcDoc: I got zapped one time with a 600V anode
<0> Deryl: Interesting story.
<8> jhicks: and you've never been right ever since?
<4> OcDoc: only one hand thankfully
<8> jhicks: "walk this way ..."
<4> i woke up on the other side of the room
<1> I stuck the repeater on IRLP, and wrote a bunch of perl to do cool things.
<1> It's fun.
<8> sorry ... Yaesu FTDX 400
<4> OcDoc: nice rig
<4> in its day
<1> I have a TS-440S/AT
<7> FLOW
<1> It is all I will ever need or HF.
<8> I programmed my first computer kit to teach me morse code so I could upgrade from Novice ... got so interested in puting that I gave up on Ham
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