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<0> `426Hemi: i fully understand your position, but filtering the media in any senario is contradicting to what the US's goal is, and more importantly what the US stands for.
<1> vasili0s, not in a war zone it doesn't.
<1> vasili0s, it's called OPSEC, operational security.
<2> I don't think theres a problem with unfiltered media in a war zone
<2> just that the white house/pentagon has to be on their feet with PR
<3> vasili0s theres no such thing as unfiltered media anyway. it's run by commies.
<1> allan5oh, have you been schooled as a military tactician?
<2> no, whats your point?
<0> of course the media can influence opinion as everywhere else, but it wont make or break iraq.
<0> imo
<4> vasili0s in war zones all matters of civility are off
<1> allan5oh, my point is that you have no knowledge of what happens or should happen in a war zone.
<5> bring back the "5 O'Clock Follies"!
<2> i wasnt saying that
<2> dont put words in my mouth
<4> in war zones all rights are off
<1> allan5oh, sure you were, [11:59] <2> I don't think theres a problem with unfiltered media in a war zone
<6> haha just had an argument w/ the garbage guy
<4> personally, the government of Iraq should be putting a size 20+ boot in the ***es of the people and declare a martial law
<6> he picked up my neighbor's can, but it fell (the arm didn't have a very good grip) so trash fell out
<6> he got out of the cab, pushed it forward a little, dumped it, then started taking off, leaving the other trash on the ground
<6> so I ran out there and was like "Hey! you dropped it, you pick it up!"
<6> haha
<6> he was pissed off
<6> but he did it
<4> make an all out effort to destroy the backbone of the insurgency by taking out those who are willing to support their causes, and if innocents die, so be it... don't go outside
<4> stop playing nicey nicey with these ****ers
<0> TheTailor: well, the kurds are indeed striving to unify the country at this point, a bit ironic. but lets not kid ourselves, we know what their ultimate goal is. afterall they are the biggest ethnic group in the world without a country as far as i understand.
<4> tough
<7> Kurds are the most willing to work with a national government, our ties to the Kurds has been stronger than the sunni or shia for a long time. They lose oil revenue as I understand it if they get cut off.
<0> i mean, hell. all kurds still refer to northern iraq as Southern Kurdistan
<0> all one has to do is browse any kurdish publication
<7> Oil is as important to them as any independent state.
<6> if they'd be willing to share the wealth
<6> things could work out
<6> but...psh
<4> being an ethnicity is more than just a name of a country
<7> Which Kurdish Publication ? In Turkey, Iraq or Syria ?
<0> take a look at this for instance, http://www.kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=11454
<7> Ok fair enough
<7> BRB
<8> Kurdistan aka Baja Turkey
<4> there has never really been a country called "Kurdistan"
<8> correct
<8> and
<8> Turkey would NOT aprove of it
<0> treaty of lusianne (sp?) called for an independant kurdistan
<8> they would invade the minute the Kurds declare an independent state
<0> but of course that was destroyed by the turks
<8> that is a given
<4> no it didn't
<0> yea, turkey vows to "protect" the turkomans at any cost. a pretext for anything really.
<7> Ok thats an opinion of a Kurdish intellectual and I dont entirely disagree with it.
<4> that was the treaty of Severs
<8> as does any country with territorial ideals
<0> `426Hemi: i think you might be right, my apologies.
<7> But intellectual causes are not enough. Economics has to be part of the culture.. And for them to get their oil to port it travels by pipeline through sunni and shia Iraq.
<4> the treaty of Severs was tossed
<8> Free so we open some McDonalds ;)
<9> relocate the kurds to new mexico
<8> no, to Utah ;)
<8> they can turn Mormon
<0> it was rejected by the turks
<7> I have always had questions in my mind since the beggining whether or not they could form a nation or a confederation of nations. That could give them independent territory but a super government would deal with common ecnomic and cultural concerns which are united.
<7> They are all interested in Oil..
<7> All 3 major divisions.
<8> personally I prefer the concept of: uproot EVERYONE and then relocate.
<0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Treaty_Of_Sevres.gif
<7> For America the real "winning of the war" does not include neccesarily stopping civil war or division.
<8> it worked in the ***yrian Empire
<7> What id does include are western friendly nations who have relations with us which are like any other nation that we have good relations with.
<4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kurdish_lands_92_cropped.jpg
<7> That is already almost guranteed with the Kurds. The problem of course will be the sunni-shia issues.
<0> yup, they even lay claim to parts of armenia
<9> how about this, u.s sets up kurdistan, they agree to give up their oil
<0> the same basitds they helped kill with the turks, so much for "muslim brotherhood"
<9> and the u.s gives em 20 bill a year
<0> we all know what happened afterwards
<9> forever
<7> I think whatever we do we should embrace the Kurdish Muslims because they are truely pro American and have almost no anti Western terrorism
<8> and we all KNOW what a nurturing loving atitutude Turke has for Armenians ;)
<0> FreeTrade: agreed fully
<7> Turks who we have been very generous with, have not always been our best friends.
<9> like how israel is propped up with u.s aid
<9> do that with the kurds to keep em happy
<7> Part of the failures early in the war involved Turkish reneging of promised rights for out military to cross turkey.
<8> Freetrade the Quid Pro Quo of JFK
<4> well the way i figure is if Kurds want a land to call their own, they should fight for it against those who would deny them, without our help..
<7> I dont think much of JFK, frankly. but at least he was anit communist.
<7> anti
<8> Kruzchev moved missles out of Cuba...not well knwon: we moved ours out of Turkey
<0> did you know that the region in iran bordering iraq is also named "Kurdestan" ? strikes me as a bit odd
<10> listen now they are talking about the end of the american empire:::: http://larouchepac.com/media/2006/webcast_live_en_lo.asx?Submit3=Play
<6> BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraq's most powerful Sunni Muslim party quit talks to form a new government Thursday after reprisal attacks for the bombing of an important Shiite mosque.
<8> vasili Macedonia; there are 2 of those too
<0> as far as i know the province was renamed under the Shah, i guess to silence the kurds ?
<6> i'm growing more convinced that they just can't live together as one
<0> pilgrim`: actually GEOGRAPHICAL macedon is today contained within 3 countries
<8> never could before
<8> vasili I know
<0> but why did you raise the issue to begin with ?
<8> you mentined 2 Kurdistans
<7> Losing the Sunnis would not be the worst thing in the world other than the peaceful anti Saddam sunnis.
<8> as there are 2 Cherokee Natiosn int he US
<7> They would be victimized
<0> i dont need morning stress from the macedonian question :P
<0> no no, the province in iran is named kurdestan
<8> one in Oklahoma (long Walk), one in N Carolina
<0> i was simply trying to figure out what the point of renaming ones own province would prove.
<8> ins'allah
<0> inshallah ill get my cup of coffee, brb
<8> Arabic slang for: "whatever" or <shrug>
<7> There are kurdistan populations in Syria and Turkey. The ones in Turkey especially dont get along with the government and Turkey fears the Kurds.
<7> Not kurdistan, but Kurdish
<7> Kurdistan would be a state or province.
<0> yea, some estimates put the pop of kurds in turkey in or around 20 million (!)
<1> heh, always gloom and doom --> [12:15] <6> i'm growing more convinced that they just can't live together as one
<0> the turks are really phobic, they had the kurdish media and language banned for many years
<3> hey FreeTrade you there
<0> hell, in constantinople alone there are over 3 million kurds
<0> but those are the ones that have been intergrated a bit
<7> Vasili0s, I really think though it should be an Iraq State struture with a confederation model. Not a United states model. Each area would have some autonomy, more so than the states of the USA.
<0> not the ones in the east though
<3> FreeTrade: i dug into it a little bit and im not opposed to what is being sold from the british to the uae company
<1> Constantinople?
<0> The
<7> I think its already shaping up that way to a large extent.
<0> ThePixies: aka: istanbul
<1> Living in the past are we?
<0> damn nick completion
<7> Again the oil revenues should be issued as shares to all Iraqi citizens.
<0> TheTailor: not really, its how we call the city today.
<3> FreeTrade apparently its pretty much a concession to move pallets and containers around
<1> vasili0s, haha, no, as you pointed out it's Istanbul.
<0> the turks call thessaloniki, selanik. i dont see the problem.
<8> its the oil
<7> The turks who we have gone to bat for, over the last 10-20 years very strongly have dissapointed me.
<1> vasili0s, you could always call it Byzantium
<8> does anyone really care how many Hutus get hacked to bits by Tutzi?
<0> its how we refer to the city today, we have no claims on turkey.
<7> Pilgrim, I care absolutely.
<0> ultimately they were all murdered in ww1
<8> or any other millenium old tribal conflict where there is NOT a resource we want
<3> anyway freetrade just wanted to let you know - i changed my mind and think you were pretty much right yesterday
<1> vasili0s, who is 'we'?
<7> I think some causes are stupid, Individuals or missionaries going into a state which is sure to kill them to save others.
<0> oh im sorry, we Hellenes (Greeks)
<8> Free care mayhaps but we as a country do nto send toroops
<8> troops
<7> But that doesnt change my opinion that I care about every hutu which dies from unjust causes.
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