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<0> VOIP is cheaper than the phone services the cable companies are offering
<1> Verizon FIOS is faster than Cable
<2> So they decided they had to go to one line system, and aTT emerged eventually as the telephone carrier. Its not your typical industry where you can compete easy, the Government had to regulate it. because of the inability to at that time compete it was a natural monopoly. Cost the country a fortune to sue them and it did hardly anything because soon technologies came up with could computerize and digitalize phone calls
<3> we have adelphia
<3> no other provider sets foot in this county
<3> :P
<1> bmc.....eegh
<3> aside from dsl providers
<3> no other cable providers
<2> The cell phone industry not being based on limites lines but on airwaves has had lots of natural competition.
<1> bmc..you have Verizon there?
<3> you go maybe 2 counties east
<3> and its cox irrc
<3> iirc*
<3> CryArvach yea, but i cant get dsl
<1> Coxuckers Cable is also ****ty
<3> they said i was too far away
<3> > 11k feet
<1> bmc...they may offer FIOS up there
<2> If you go to Buisness school these days you will often here the Argument that teh ATT break up cost taxpayers a fortune as well as stock holders and made little to 0 difference in the economy of telephone calls.
<2> Technology changed the industry, not government.
<1> that argument is in error
<4> that is business school, I am referring to the trickle down effect to the technology sector
<1> the AT & T monopoly cost us more
<3> all utility type companies are like that
<3> you normally dont have much choice
<4> the broader picture gained
<1> Publius is a faithful commiecast user too
<2> Well My dual majors were psychology and buisness, it is a case study for failure in many buisness courses. Read up on what different exconomists think about it.
<3> hey adelphia jacked their speed up
<3> im happy
<5> lol
<1> as soon as I can..I will go over to FIOS
<3> its at least 384kbps upstream now, possibly 512k
<1> wow...lol
<3> and close to 5mbps down
<3> it was 256k
<4> sometimes taking a big economical hit is better for the long run
<2> Most free market capitalist economists will say it only hurt everyone, and many socialists will say it was neccesary not because of the realities but hbecause all large corproations to the socialists need to be knocked down.
<3> 3mbps/256kbps
<1> 15/2 FIOS will be 39/month here
<6> wiretapp - apparently to give themselves a legal buffer, all the telcos are giving the government call records via third party companies that offer themselves up as scapegoats. Now, even people who aren't fazed by the government spying on private records w/o warrants should be upset about other companies doing so as well.
<3> not its like 4-5mbps/384-512kbps
<3> now*
<2> President of chirac of France stated as a quote that Kyoto was good because it would bring america down to the worlds level
<1> 30/5 will be 199/month
<3> an increase in speed without an increase in cost
<3> cant bitch about that
<2> And the EU environmental head once said "Kyoto is really not about the environment its about leveling the playing field"
<1> It will chain US GDP so as to make it as broke as many other countires...
<1> thats equality
<3> i dont think FIOS is widespread enough yet
<0> There are a limited number of frequencies though for use with cellphones that the FCC gets to ***ign
<3> i have yet to see any mention of it in this area
<1> China and India are the worst polluters
<1> bmc...time to start bugging Verizon :)
<3> wiretapp yea and they play favorites also
<2> Couple things to think about, my quotes might be off slightly but the intent of the persons who said them are absolutely correct. go to www.foxnews.com and see if they have a transcript up yet on thier program on Global warming last night, it should be a very interesting read from many different scientists and politicians and etc.
<6> cryarvach - because they're bugging you, after all !
<3> gave nextel their own wide as chunk of spectrum
<5> New Dheli envirokalooyeh
<2> President of France Chirac I mean..
<3> cause they were interferring with emergency services
<3> :P
<2> Russia signed on to Kyoto so it could sell pollution credits and make huge profits from it, and thats the only reason they did. A use Senator talked to a counterpart in Russia who admitted it.
<6> FreeTrade - speaking of environment, i was perplexed by the topic you posted last night re: global warming modelling.
<0> disbelief sounds typical to use a "legal buffer" to launder the names we'll have to see how the courts sort that out
<3> why is china exempt under kyoto
<3> that makes no sense
<7> heya guys. i bought furniture from this company, the company went bankrupt. can i get my money back?
<6> wiretapp - yeah, apparently the practice has created a cottage industry of such companies acting as go-betweens.
<0> I doub that gets them off the hook for violating their terms in the lawsuit
<3> they are the second largest producer of emissions
<3> the largest pop in the world
<8> Fox News - Global Warming: Hoax or Fiction? is also available on bittorrent, for those so inclined.
<2> Disbelief, well your nick is sort of suggestive. One of the principle people who work on global modeling (Scientists (phd)) said that he would like to be around in 50 years to see if any of the modeling is accurate.
<3> and one of the fastest growing nations
<2> In other words they have no clue if it is accurate or not.
<2> The ice caps have been melting since the last ice age.
<0> well "private" data-mining companies have existed for a while now and do the type of collection the government isnt allowed to then sells information to various government entities
<6> wiretapp - same here. the only thing that will get them off the hook legally is a government "national security" white wash.
<2> Though there are times since then which change when the climate will go cold for a while and add to it.
<4> lol there is so much wrong with that title "Fox News - Global Warming: Hoax or Fiction?"
<3> the phone companies are worried i think
<3> notice how they didnt come out with denials
<3> until after two important court rulings
<3> onme that refused to close the courtroom
<9> e-henrick link?
<8> "As reported by Media Matters, "Among the roster of contributors are several global warming skeptics with ties to the energy industry and records of misinformation on the issue. In each case, their statements or studies questioning global warming theory have been debunked or proven misleading by the scientific community."
<3> one that said they could use certain documents
<3> after those rulings all three companies named issued denials
<8> As for the torrent, the info hash is 93cb631cf5b8449e951d3d7684c527e5da8f54c0
<6> FreeTrade - i believe that's a misinterpretation of his words....wanting to see if your prediction is true doesn't mean that your prediction is innacurate.
<3> coincidence? i think now
<3> not*
<4> e-Hernick sounds like the bush administrations position on global warming for their first 4.5 years
<6> "Global who?"
<3> eff and comp have at&t such bent over and lubed up
<3> :P
<0> e-H why you give use the torrent hash lol
<2> But this is very typical of weather, the only thing that they can really grasp is that co2 is at historically high levels and yet there is no proof that it will cause any catastrophe, in fact water vapor remains the number 1 greenhouse gas. All the scientists I saw said that they cant predict the future they are laying out a range of possibilities. The thing is a lot of people grab onto the most extreme range of possibilities
<8> wiretapp: the torrent hash lets you download the torrent
<8> wiretapp: because my other source requires registration before you can download it
<2> Use that for their promoting catastrophe, this is interesting because abe lincoln also thought we were going through global warming, before the Automoobile, he wrote a journal on it.
<6> Its not an "extreme" possibliity that the earth's surface temperature will continue its trendline of rising. You can take that to the bank.
<2> We will have another Ice age somewhere between 50 and 100k years from now, 50k - 100k
<2> and that will super cool everything.
<3> not is it a extreme possibility that its completely normal
<2> In fact property in costa rica is not a bad idea if you live that long.
<3> nor*
<3> the earth doesnt have a "normal" climate
<3> it goes through cycles
<2> The most likely probability is that the environmental will deal with global warming in a way which will be more or less natural to what would of happened had man not existed right now.
<2> Environmental - al
<3> i think the problem will solve itself
<3> in any event
<2> I do too.
<2> I still think its noble to seek out cleaner energies without harming the economy in the process.
<6> FreeTrade - i don't understand what is so troubling about what an environmental scientist says about the future and wanting to see if his predictions come true. This isn't an admission of a bad prediction or not knowing anything.
<2> people have talked about the hydrogen care for half a century or more.. We will see..
<2> Right now the price tag is about 1 million and no fueling infrastructure.
<2> Disbelief, its not troubling its an illustration of how weak global warming catastrophe theories are.
<3> think about it though, if we were the cause, we were the problem, the climate could shift in such a way that human life is no longer sustainable, humans go away, the atmospehere starts a slow process of revoery, an extreme possibility, but it just shows how the earth would fix itself
<8> I have no idea what will happen in the future, and I believe that nobody can make accurate predictions. Also, scientists on both side of the global warming debate are influenced by money and ideology, and their opinions are therefore skewed. However, humans have been releasing ungodly amounts of carbon into the atmosphere, and I can hardly see how this is good.
<6> no its not. and why are you using terms like 'catastrophe' exactly.
<2> Its one example of 1000 of people who are the formost experts in this area who explain global warming in a non political way.
<2> Like how many people knew we have had global warming since the 1600s ?
<2> And that we had a mini ice age around then where the Thames froze over but never before in written history of sense has that happened.
<2> or sense
<2> How many people know the polar Ice has been melting since the last Ice age ?
<2> Its kind of logical isnt it ?
<6> FreeTrade - so your point of departure is on the cause of Global Warming, correcT?
<2> And yet people like bobby Kennedys son are obssessed and paranoid about only the worst case scenario they refuse to examine science which is by nature skeptical and refuse to doubt themselves.
<0> Well there is a pretty wide consensus with scientist about the existance of global warming
<2> Dibelief mostly my departure is on the eventual effects of it being bad for humanity.
<3> e-Hernick what about in pre-historic times, when the earth was apparently alot hotter, tons more volcanic activity, tons more pollution being emitted naturally into the atmosphere
<6> e_hernick - its hard to see what monetary and ideological bent NASA scientists who've stated man-made emissions contribute to global warming are.
<2> I dont htink it will be bad for humanity, it will be part of a mostly natural process which man may have an itty bitty part of.
<3> e-Hernick what caused that?
<2> But man didnt cause it. Ok well I have to go. Late!
<2> Bye.
<3> there were no people then, no man-made pollution
<3> but the earth was hotter
<3> and the amount of natural pollution was much greater
<6> Where has Robert Kennedy Jr. "refused" to examine science ?
<10> bmc: when I look at the whitecliffs of dover.. I say to myself "mmm... the ocean level used to be alot higher.."
<2> E, People on both sides and all sides of the issue are motivated by money bias and some of them neither.
<10> must be unnatural emissions from dinasaur farts back then!
<0> obviously the earth goes through natural cycles of warming and cooling, what the global warming scientists are saying is that it is warming faster than normal and its probably due to man-made causes
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