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<0> Alot more people feel the US does what it wants and doesn't care who it hurts.
<1> those fuggers could fight
<2> remember, it took years for the new governments in Germany and Japan to stabilize to something approximating normalcy after WW II, so it may take years for Iraq to stabilize to a point when we can bring some troops home
<1> these guys ****
<0> Look how many people are dieing in iraq everyday.
<1> ...
<3> miguk - yes, except the US had little choice to make war on and invade those countries.
<1> look how many die in the US
<0> They have blow up tanks and helicopters.
<3> Iraq isn't a good comparison at all
<1> like 14 yesterday
<1> not soldiers
<0> The soldiers aren't even that big of a deal anymore.
<1> not many tanks and helis
<1> are going down at all
<0> They are fighting for iraq.
<0> They have gone down.
<0> And tanks have been blown up.
<1> not that many
<1> the iraqi military is good
<0> Thanks for rationalizing.
<1> with tanks, the 9th brigade just became battle ready
<1> Taj
<2> what the liberals seem to want to disbelieve is that 9/11 changed nothing; they're wrong, it changed everything, and now with Afghanistan on the road to recovery and Iraq slowly getting there, the world is changing more and more
<1> big *** airport south of baghdad
<0> And who is say those iraqis care about the US anymore than before?
<3> The big story of this war is the wounded. the death toll could easily be many times greater if not for advancements in battlefield medicine. that's not comforting though, because the lifelong disabilities of maimed soldiers will be huge.
<1> we trained them
<1> fought together
<0> Iraq voted in a majority of Supreme Council for an Islamic Iraq party.
<1> worked to kill the foreign terrorist
<0> You think guys are down with the US being in IRaq?
<1> they are our friends
<2> yeah, soldiers get hurt or die in battle, they carry scars and infirmities with them for the rest of their lives; they knew that going into the service
<2> meant
<3> Miguk - hahaa. i love that popular scold many conservatives say "they knew what they were getting into"
<0> Iraq has chosen by it's numbers an islamic theocracy.
<3> way to "support the troops" by backstabbing them in the rhetorical fashion
<3> "****s for you, you signed the dotted line!"
<3> that's really dispicable
<1> acceept that all parties agree
<1> the sunnis, shiites, kurds
<1> and ect
<1> accepted it
<0> On an islamic theocracy.
<2> dis: what, you want everyone to believe that the soldiers were fooled into going? that they're too stupid to have ideals/causes of their own and that they blindly follow orders?
<0> One that doesn't allow foreign troops on their soil.
<1> IT TAKES TIM
<1> E
<3> and i don't believe for on instant that they "knew" they were going to be put in harm's way in a war of choice that had nothing to do with defending the United States.
<1> DEMOCRACY IS A PROCESS
<1> agh
<1> hehe
<0> They have a democracy and they chose islamic fundementalists.
<1> riiight
<2> publius: they don't want to be logical and far-seeing, they just want to stamp their feet and cry, "pay attention to us!!!"
<1> that was rather respectful to them
<1> real educated statement
<0> So what more time will just pull out the US chosen people and put more of the iraqi chosen SCII.
<0> I mean this is the nation that had saddaam elected for 30 years. "elected"
<3> miguk - its one thing for a soldier give his life for a worthy cause he knew he was getting into. Iraq just isn't one of those, but its nice that you can effectively say "well you signed up, tough" to guys who get killed because our civilian leadership ****ed up.
<0> And look in belarussia it is being said it was a scam election.
<2> isn't that the idea, sint? to train the Iraqis to eventually take over control of their own country? and now that they're trying to do that, the liberals say they're not doing it right? or exactly as they should?
<1> a lot of people have now joined to do that
<0> And kazakstan the liberal was poisoned before the election.
<1> they know
<1> not many kids signed up and where like "omg i didn't want to do this now" and if so...whos fault is that?
<1> heh
<0> There is no doing it right.
<0> Just there is nothing to say when they take over it will be ok .
<3> Miguk - are you of serving age and ability?
<2> when you join the military, you sign on the dotted line, and take the oath. There's no clause in there that says you get to pick and choose which battles you'll fight, or which civilian leadership you'll obey
<2> yes and no
<3> what prevents you from serving?
<0> Seriously I get what is happening but I don't get all the cheerfulness.
<2> age and physical condition
<1> people who are willing to fight
<1> so he does not have to
<1> don't pull that crap
<3> you said "yes" and "no"
<0> There are guarantees peace will happen or last.
<2> it's not cheerleading, sint, it's logic and patience
<4> I heard of people over 30 enlisting
<2> yes, i said yes and no
<3> well which is it
<0> Like how vietnam fell to the north.
<2> both, can't you read?
<1> besides, I've got enough buddies who fought and are appreciative of my help at home
<1> by speaking
<0> Like how SK is kinda ready for the US to back out so they can partner with NK?
<3> you're of serving age, but you can't ?
<1> for me to not be guilty in this manner
<5> hello
<5> :)
<2> 37 and not in physical condition
<5> i want to join..
<0> Like how afghanistan is still very tribal and 10k troops can't control it.
<4> u can join up if ur 37
<3> Miguk - well that's what boot camp is for!
<1> LOL
<3> they'll make a man out of you
<2> since the US has an all-volunteer army, and those who volunteered knew they may be sent to battle, then what's the problem?
<3> you'll come out a new person, and god willing, if you survive the war and make it home by 2010, you'll be a strapping lad.
<0> Maybe japan right?
<0> Iraq could be like japan?
<1> and, you go war cred
<1> got*
<1> that's part of our history
<3> Miguk - really, there's nothing stopping you from serving in the iraq war but you.
<2> i think the liberals want to bring back the draft, so they can say that Americans are forced to fight a so-called "unjust war", but for the moment, with an all-volunteer force, they can't say that very convincingly
<1> I fought for freedom for someone!
<3> i absolutely support the draft
<2> yeah, i thought so
<1> ewww
<3> why, you don't believe its patriotic to serve your country by requirement ?
<3> or does the convenience that the all volunteer force (i.e. you don't have to serve) attract you too much
<1> I dunno, i haven't thought of that
<1> in depth
<6> the draft would definitely give the democrats a much needed boost. young people would start voting like they did in the 60's
<3> it woudl be political suicide
<3> BUT
<3> there is one man with the ability to pull it off
<3> and that's because he's already politically dead
<3> George Bush
<6> haha, bushy
<1> lol
<1> he won't
<3> he can reverse his failures by reinstituting the draft
<3> i' not kidding
<3> he's as lame a duck as they come
<1> that is an interesting perspective
<3> he might **** the party for a while, but they'll probably be ****ed anyways
<1> that would make you like him
<2> i do believe in national service, i do think that all Americans should serve at least 2 years doing some type of national service, i do believe that every American should be required to be fit and learn to properly utilize a firearm
<3> if he was SINCERE about doing the right thing and fixing iraq, he'd reinstitute the draft before leaving office.
<3> i'd applaud him.
<1> disbelief: I'm gonna be so pissed if iraq isn't doing well then
<1> lol
<2> and what exactly would reinstituting do to help the overall situation in the war on terror?
<1> he better not need to
<3> publius - prepare to be disappointed.
<1> nah
<1> it really looks positive
<1> the entire region, excluding Persia
<1> hehe
<3> publius - haven't you heard what bush himself has said about this? "thats for future presidents to decide"
<3> did you miss that one?
<1> not at all
<1> it makes perfect sense though
<1> Bush was the president who signed a treaty to move troops from Japan to Okinawa
<1> er
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