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<0> nothing stays the same
<1> they are still communists
<2> Most chinese still dont have cars.
<0> and they already have hundred million middle cl***
<3> china is starting to export cars now
<2> As I said in large areas they have restrictions on using hot water, 12 hours a day
<2> Most of china is still very poor.
<0> but their consumer appetite is growing
<1> they have a few cities they allow capitalist type operations in
<2> Lower middle cl***
<1> but its still communist
<2> And if you take out honkong it goes way down.
<0> a few of their cities are in the millions population
<2> Hong Kong China , China has mostly left alone, or slowly made some changes.
<0> a hundred million urbanizaton is a big project
<0> hongkong is a cash cow for china
<2> Hong Kong, CHina, Is still one of the most capitalist provinces in the world.
<0> shanghai is also a cashcow
<2> Mainline China is not at all like Honk Kong, but they benefit from the statistics of Hong Kong success.
<2> And honk kongs energy use isnt going up substantially
<4> I'll say this much about drunk driving - checkpoints simply don't work, at least not for their purpose.
<2> its mainline china which is using more and more energy
<5> rwx in the country there are still any number of peasants that live on $1 a day
<2> But they wont have envioronmentalists telling them they cant build energy producing plants.
<0> managing a hundred million in a city is not as easy as managing a few million like the usa
<2> We are held hostage by A minority of envirowackos in the USA who have blocked us from creating new wnergy for 30 years or more
<2> Hey Comet!
<0> what america needs to do is sell beef to china
<6> wars http://www3.cjad.com/global_feeds/CanadianPress/WorldNews//w012155A.jpg
<5> FreeTrade actually china is making a lot of attempts to clean up the environment. Not for moral reasons but for practical ones. It is embar***ing to them when the world hears about the rivers of sludge.
<4> 'We are held hostage by A minority'... there's the problem.
<2> Comet yes, in the mainland the rule is pretty poor.
<7> FT: Agreed, It's time for dozens of new Pebble-Bed Reactors.. it's a shame the French are the world leaders in Nuclear Power..
<4> the flaw in the entire argument. if they were in the (political) minority they'd have zero power.
<7> FT: I love Pebble-Beds, it is IMPOSSIBLE to meltdown.
<2> If they are middle cl*** they are lower middle cl*** and your status depends very much who you know, not what you know.
<5> also they are attempting to build up places like beijing and shanghai to accomodate westerners and they are too poluted. Hence they are trying to stop the polution.
<0> so who saw Syriana
<0> what an intelligent movie
<0> they don't make many intelligent movies in america
<5> Chinese know that if they do not, they will never have a real competitor to hong kong
<0> hongkong is already an old city
<5> believe me .. the big push in china right now .. is to move a lot of the companies presently in hong kong to shanghai
<0> shanghai is reborn
<2> Comet right, China overall is still a very poor country. which is why its easy for them to get 10% gdp growth year after year.
<8> CB: China already owns HK... Heh.
<0> it would be a dream come true to sell beef in china
<5> FreeTrade and they are having a HUGE problem with the poor population right now. There are numerous protests in the villages which are being hushed up
<0> skip this whole japanese pickyness
<2> When they start getting even close to our wealth their GDP will drop to a low level of increase per year or they may even experience recesssions and or 0 economic growth
<5> astro .. duh. They want shanghai .. which in far more interior to take over
<0> i can't apply the pluralism of "wealth" to all americans
<2> Who could ?
<2> Noone because its not a fact.
<0> "wealth" is about 2% here
<0> the rest are in debts
<2> but the average standard of living is very well.
<7> FT: Well, China's GDP is around 7 trillon, the US is 12 trillon I believe.
<0> from debts you get standard living
<2> Define wealth ?
<2> Millionaires ?
<0> brunei is wealth
<9> that's not true ... even our "poor" are very well off by world standards
<2> OcDoc, I agree in terms of what they own and possess.
<2> and their accessibility to quality food
<0> every citizen in brunei..by birth right is wealthy
<9> Free: yup
<0> fastfood is not quality
<0> why am i stating the obvious
<2> Plumm Brunei is not even a relevant comparison, they are a tiny nation which is resource rich like norway.
<9> Plumm: fastfood IS quality
<9> it is nutritious and clean
<4> fastfood is ****, but that won't stop people from eating it :)
<9> and tastes good
<0> nutritious he said
<4> convienence + taste > *
<9> tweek: bull****
<0> mama mia
<4> ****, I nearly live off of the ****
<4> that, and frozen pizza. and Coke.
<9> tweek: it's good food, excellent in fact
<7> mmm pizza bites.
<2> Yeah, fastfood compared to what poor in India eat and china.. Which is rice..and milk if lucky
<4> FreeTrade: ... good point I guess...
<0> uncle ben chicken n rice is nutritious
<0> what's wrong with lentil curry
<4> still, prep time and quality are proportional
<9> I once lived for an entire week on a Burger King whopper with everything one per day
<2> Of course there are a large number of chinese today who eat fine, but they live in maoist concrete apts. in major cities.
<10> rice has high calorie densit
<9> Plumm: nothing ... I love dhal
<10> y
<0> do you see a hundred million fat chinese..cause they eat rice
<10> you dont see any fat chinese
<2> Rice is very nutritious in fact rice and goat milk is a staple for many people in the world. But the point is for soem of them one or 2 bowls of rice a day is it
<10> except the ones who live in the US
<4> rice > *
<9> Free: shelter is shelter as long as it's warm and dry
<10> rice sustained about half the human race for millennia
<2> My sister in law has a connected uncle, which helps her a great deal. He is wealthy by their standards. but not by our standards.
<7> OcDoc: hrm.. my homeless friends would agree with that.
<0> what upsets me is japan just rejected about 4billions worth of beef
<11> when traveling in asia, if its not steaming hot.. dont eat it, out of fear of dysentary and other nasty diseases
<2> The biggest problem with the homeless and shelters is convincing them to come to a shelter.
<2> Thats a fact
<10> Plumm: they claim japanese ppl can't eat american beef
<11> always order hot tea, to wash your plate and utensils in
<0> this new world hysteria on disease is having damage farmers
<9> the concrete blocks in Saint Petersburg are ugly but they seemed to be in good repair
<0> from chicken flu, beef, and fish
<2> Lupine, you need more than 150 degree tea to sterilize things ;)
<9> Free: the next biggest problem at shelters is security
<11> FT: right, it should be boiling when brought to you
<2> OcDoc, yeah..
<2> But thats solvable.
<7> OcDoc: yeah, my homeless friends don't think shelters are very safe.
<9> yup ... and better than on the streets
<0> what would forest gump do if we have a shrimp disease
<2> THe problem is millions are wasted in the poor to put a few people into homes are apts
<10> antifed: uh, safer than the street
<9> antifed: who ARE the homeless friends of yours?
<2> if those millions were used for all the poor instead of the lottery poor. it would be more effective.
<9> antifed: and why are they homeless?
<10> antifed is just trying to act cool, pretending he has homeless friends
<7> OcDoc: the reason would be different for each one.
<10> having homeless friends is trendy nowadays
<9> antifed: oh, I don't think it's that complex
<2> I could open and run a homeless shelter where people would have security and their own lockable cubicles and food cafeteria for 100 homeles for less than 100k a year.
<2> thats a 1000 for a human for a year I could provide basic needs
<2> Well the housing would be amortized
<9> in fact I can think of only three categories ... young shiftless people who make a lot of money in organized panhandling
<2> Each cubicle costs $5000 maximum.
<9> crazy people and drug/alcohol ruined people
<12> :P
<7> OcDoc: well one of them has a B.S. degree, lost their job, did odd jobs for awhile living out their SUV for area. then the car got stolen, so they went to living outside, then they got addicted to Herion after two years of this lifestyle, now they're in a nice limbo of being a homeless herion addict.
<7> area/awhile. typo
<2> You can not get homeless people to move into shelters though.
<2> So its a moot issue.
<12> u have to run pretty fast to catch me old guy
<9> antifed: I doubt it
<7> OcDoc: the slow decline of the homeless, eh, it happens.
<13> No, I just have to run more effectively.
<12> sure
<7> OcDoc: why doubt it? I watched this person's decline for years.
<9> antifed: only to people who are incompetent already
<2> But still developers and government politicians at local levels have a lot of graft around their development and poverty.
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