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Comments:
<0> KoBushi's analogy is much better tho
<1> so if war is never an option, what is
<2> Timur: still rainy. Willamette River is in flood stage. They were calling for no rain the next five days but that isn't happening just yet. Guess its going to be a good growing seaso
<3> JanetB: you don't know 1) how far along they are; and 2) how effective their "weapon" would be if and when they get there; or 3) how far they could send one if they have one to send
<4> jakyl: damn global warming drying out the land!
<5> you badger me with a nebulous question, i answer you, then instead of picking apart my argument on its merit, you go straight to the ad homs
<6> Janet: We're doing some things, preparing for a # of eventualities. It's possible they're grandstanding and we won't have to bomb, and they'll relent (option1); in that case continual and growing diplomatic and ec onomic and political pressure is good. It's possible they're not, and we will have to bomb (option 2) and I'm sure the Pentagon etc is preparing for that as well.
<1> OcDoc.. I am going by what they themselves are saying
<7> kobushi I was ***uming integers hehe
<0> We're dealing with a "math" equation with thousands of unknowns and bethor thinks he can definitively prove what is not the answer... that is not so easy to do as with an equation with only one unknown
<6> Jakyl: dang. Sunny here..
<6> worst thing we had was a 3 hour power outage last week after strong winds
<0> But it doesn't sound as if bethor has much experience with math
<8> Linus-, you didn't answer
<5> shame on me for being ****ered into your routine once again
<9> bethor integers are unneccesary, and to restrict our selves to them limits our understanding of things :)
<8> Linus-, how would you have beefed up US alliance with those in iraq who sought to overhrow saddam?
<3> JanetB: why?
<5> that wasn't your question
<7> folloout what? haha
<1> OcDoc... why what
<8> Sure it was
<9> bethor but, X*Y=Z ... how can yu know that X != 6? you can't :)
<8> Answer it now
<0> exactly
<3> Linus: it would be helpful if you would preface your comments with whom they are being made to
<5> sorry
<6> Falloout: right, ever the tendency to oversimplify on the part of many
<0> heck, even X*Y = 10 you have no clue what X is
<7> folout; that happens all the time in advance math. You know something is not the solution, yet dont know how to get the solution
<3> JanetB: why do you take them at their word? do you think they are trustworthy?
<5> my nick auto doesnt work with TheTailor for some reason
<4> tailor: I would have "waved my magic wand" until Saddam recognized his errors, and became a born-again man, and strived to emulate the life of ghandi!
<5> it has an aversion i guess :)
<1> why am I going by what they say, well they are the ones living there and running the question.. but the question still stands for all the anti-war in any condition.. what is the other option
<10> shame on you for supporting saddam
<1> question=country
<7> falloout+ simple example for you, encryption
<3> Linus: I don't have a nick auto, yet you see your nick here
<7> you can easy try a key, and see it is not the solution
<7> yet you might now know how to find the key
<0> bethor: Our point is there are just as many more examples of math problems where you cannot know what is not the solution, and the iraq situation is much more like one of these
<7> not know, i mean
<6> Lup: wanna see a funny movie trailer?
<10> OcDoc: wow! you can type a whole nick out!
<9> bethor or rather, you just don't have enough computer power to find the solution
<7> kobushi, still, same situation
<0> We're not dealing with a ONE KEY ENCRYPTION PROBLEM
<0> for crying out loud
<9> bethor encrption mat can be worked backwards too.. it's just so complex that it can't be done in a reasonable amount of time
<1> well, OcDoc..because, if you ignore their claims, then and there claims are true, then what happeneds.. I tend to fall on the side of beliving them, if they want to put out that information
<8> Linus-, well that's all nice chit chat, but again, you didn't answer the question.
<6> http://wip.warnerbros.com/trailerplay.html?id=lookingforcomedy&type=quicktime&speed=500000
<6> (needs Quicktime)
<1> they then must live with the conquences of their lie
<8> Linus-, how would you have beefed up US alliance with those in iraq who sought to overhrow saddam?
<7> fallout yes i know, but my point was that looking for non-solutions is a valid approach to solving somehting. Yet you dont seem to agree
<9> anyway
<3> rcane: and I can play patty cake too! my mother says I'm special
<9> bethor even in those cases, you can show mathmaticall that X != 6
<0> bethor: It isn't BECAUSE we're dealing with a X*Y = 10 situation
<0> Now tell me
<0> What is NOT X?
<1> SO, if war is never and option, what is
<9> bethor but, you aren't able to show why X != war
<6> Janet: of course it's an option
<3> JanetB: I didn't say we should ignore them ... but I would rely on facts, not just on what they say ... see what happened when we relied on what Saddam said?
<6> we have a whole array of options
<1> Timur.. there are some here, that think it is not
<11> x is not 11
<0> wrong
<7> fallooout; yes so we shouldnt go to war just because it might be a solution. without no concrete evidence
<1> OcDoc.. and he is responsible for his lie
<6> Janet: well, they're wrong. :)
<7> which was my inital arguement
<9> rond if Y is 1.1 X would be 11
<8> bethor, the Iraqi's seem to think it was the right solution
<6> ah, bethor's in .jp... which has a lot of Iranians
<9> er, hat's backwards :)
<9> if Y is 0.909091
<0> This isn't math anyway
<0> And don't lecture me about advanced math
<1> bethor.. what is the soultion to Iran?
<0> I have an electrical engineering degree
<3> JanetB: let's kill him because he lied?
<7> Iran?
<6> Janet: he has none, I bet
<8> Good question
<9> JanetB he has none, thus this dicussion
<8> bethor, what is the solution to Iran?
<0> I know enough about math to know that politics and war are rarely about math
<1> OcDoc.. he could have stoped what happened in at any time
<9> wait you said Iran, he was saying Iraq
<4> Timur: is this real??
<7> Tailor: you mea Iraq? or really Iran?
<9> Fallooout well depends... Game Theory is math
<1> he did not choose to be honest
<5> anyway, 4 hrs is more than ample time to chat in circles
<8> bethor, IRAN
<9> Fallooout WHOLE lot of Game Theory in politics and war
<1> bethor, yes what is your solution to iran
<7> ok
<11> kobushi * 909091 = 10000001
<11> that is not 10
<0> alright Kobushi, I'll defer to that
<5> imagine the amt of laundry not being done today?
<11> try again
<9> rond 0.
<0> anyway i gotta go
<9> rond you forgot the 0.
<3> JanetB: no he couldn't ... dictators never can ... it just would have meant he was tried as a criminal that much sooner
<1> I did laundry yesterday
<6> Kob: and as we know, Game Theory is multivariate with a strong qualitative as well as quantitative element, as any social science must be
<3> JanetB: Iran's ayatollah's cannot back down either
<1> OcDoc... we would not have gone in, had he been honest
<3> JanetB: nope
<11> still not 10
<11> 10.00001
<6> I gotta get a shower and get going
<9> rond it is if you get a bigger calculator ;)
<7> I think first there has to be more evidence that iran is actually planing to build nuclear weapons
<3> JanetB: only if he had stopped being dictator
<6> keep the debate going for about 7 more hours please!
<11> ahh my calc is plent big
<11> its not 10
<11> sorry
<1> planning? they are ready to go in 6 months they said
<11> unless you use ROUND()
<4> "Once in a blue moon, Jerome fumbles," Roethlisberger said. "Once in a blue moon, I make a tackle. They just happened to be in the same game."
<7> because Iran claims its only for electricity. Unlike North Korea for example, which really has nukes
<8> bethor, more than them SAYING they are going to build them?
<1> but war is not an option in iran.. bethor.. so what is your solution
<3> KoBushi: I disagree ... game theory, cooperation theory, etc are uses of math applied to social situations, as math may be applied to physics problems
<9> rond yur right, nothng times 11 can ever equal 10 ... even thoug you can divide 10 by 11 and get an answer :)
<8> bethor, more than them SAYING they want to destroy Israel?
<4> bethor: that they kept a m***ive program in secret, and have avowed to wipe isreal off the map.. is sufficient reason
<3> game theory is not "math" per se
<9> OcDoc how is that any different from what I said? :)
<7> Tailor: they didnt say they will destroy israel
<4> Kob: Sure you can.. 11*10/11 :-)
<3> Kobushi: well, physics isn't math
<1> bethor, yes they did
<8> bethor, well yes, they did,.
<3> Kobushi: game theory isn't math
<9> OcDoc how isn't it? :)
<7> that is just the crazy president. IT doesnt mean the goverment will allow it
<1> but that is NOT the question, answer the simple question.
<4> ocdoc: yea.. heissenburg would have problems with exact intergers :-)
<1> war is not an option in Iran, what is YOUR solution
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