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<0> bethor...war is economically destructive and unprofitable..but at times it is necessary
<1> Linus-: damn linus... you card carrying communist :)
<1> mmmmm
<2> Japan's missile shield that its building in conjunction with the U.S. is going to protect Taiwan too
<3> where? why?
<4> Cry; I agree, but it wasnt this time
<3> oh
<1> put some bbq sauce on it
<1> should fix it right up
<0> bethor...wrong
<2> bethor, and Japan should have a military if only to keep the Chinese from encroaching in Japanese marine territory
<2> With their subs, etc
<3> herzen, you're dreaming
<5> I need it, I love it, I want more of it
<2> Linus-, not at all, check out 2005's East Asian Strategic Survey
<0> Oil is a needed world commodity...it runs the world economy...
<4> Herzen: we have a defense force
<3> how can a missile shield detect and shoot down non-icbms?
<2> They talk extensively about the Missile shield with Japan-U.S.
<4> Article 9 just doesnt allow us to attack anything
<2> Linus-, Its Theater-based not National-based
<4> i like it that way
<3> low altitude
<2> Its like Patriots
<2> etc
<0> as it stands....we can not allow one maniac to control most of it...
<1> Linus-: radar?
<1> lol
<3> the scuds still landed in israel
<0> the end result under that scenario would be WW III
<4> Cry; how was the Iraq invasion necessary?
<1> you can make radar as low as you want....
<3> it doesnt allow for enough time is the main problem
<0> ok bethor...one more time...
<1> just multiple maniacs, huh cry?
<0> Iraq showed its capacity to invade when they grabbed Kuwait...
<1> bethor: didn't japan participate in the invasion?
<5> we interecepted a couple of scuds
<3> and how does one distinguish low flying missile from other air traffic at same altitudes?
<5> and we shot down those two British tornadoes
<4> Arcane: yes, sadly
<1> Linus-: flight reports?
<1> lol
<0> had Saddam been left unchecked...he would have grabed Kuwait...Saudi...and the UAE...
<1> Linus-: you can tell a different pattern.. do you know nothing about radar?
<3> i don't know enough about japans system, but wouldnt it require satellite monitoring of launch sites?
<6> Aggh. Corus is damn exciting atm. :-)
<0> those Plus Iraq would be roughly 70% of known Oil reserves....
<1> CryHavoc: well, if he grabbed saudi arabia... there would be less muslim fundies
<4> Cry; you think so? If saddam tried that ( like he did before) the whole world would stop it very quickly. Doesnt mean an ivasion is needed
<3> rcane, you're ***uming theres a whole lot of time to make the decision to fire
<0> Japan is dependent on Gulf oil more than us...
<1> Linus-: there is enough time
<0> bethor...stop it very quickly...yah...
<1> Linus-: more than enough
<0> like france quickly stopped Germany in 1936...
<2> 39
<2> actually 40
<2> wait...
<0> so if Iraq had all that oil..and decided to cut off supply of it... the WHOLE WORLD would be affected...
<4> Cry; keeping Iraq "in check" was necessary. But that is a far shot to what is going on now, imo
<0> Economies would tank is rapid order without energy...
<4> he was in check
<3> hell, the USA hasnt been succesful in some of its shootdowns of known solo targets
<0> no he was not
<3> let alone decoys
<0> he was in violation oif the Accord from the get go...
<0> when the world economy tanks...and the countries do not have any vhoice...
<3> i wish we could develop a true shield to counter nuclear proliferation
<4> Turned out the UN inspectors were right. Sot hat means the invasion was unecessary
<3> itd be worth every damn penny
<0> then you would get a REAL war...with M***IVE casualties
<3> but I'm not sure we can
<3> there will always be those fidning new ways to defeat it
<4> US invated because of WMDs, which they didnt find, how can you change the reason after the fact?
<0> bethor turns out that France and Russia were profiteering from the Oil for Food prg
<5> I vant to vatch voo die!
<4> Cry sure... still, no reason for an invasion is it?
<5> DIE! damn it DIE!
<0> the USA invaded under aegis of Prop. 1441
<3> CryHavoc, the profit was not some incredible sum, though it was sleazy
<0> An Accord...same as what Japan signed..
<3> i think it had little bearing on their lack of support for the war
<0> the profit was enough to show that they were compromising the situation
<5> boy fitting all those people in the security council into 1 Accord would be fun
<3> since a gazillion other countries came out against it as well with no financial interests
<4> Cry, I am not claming Iraq didnt break any accord. I am saying it wasnt a reason for invasion
<5> Honda needs to make bigger cars
<5> get it 1 accord? buahahahah
<3> CryHavoc, so explain the rationale of other countries?
<5> oh man I crack me up
<0> bethor...you may want to scope the Accord under whivh your country still functions
<3> accord, lol
<3> took me a whie
<3> l
<0> no Linus..not your Honda
<3> they were pact in there!
<5> hehehe
<4> Cry; I am well aware of Japans dependency on the middle east. That does not make any war automatically justifiable
<5> hahah
<3> so pact it created a gas crisis!
<0> removing Saddam arerted WW III
<0> averted
<3> CryHavoc, um
<4> I dont belive that Cry
<3> how so?
<0> bethor..the World runs on oil,...NOT just the USA
<6> CryHavoc: Doesn't sound very likely.
<3> where was saddam aiming his attack?
<7> CryHavoc, no, not diverted - hastened
<1> japan is dependent on the me?
<1> I thought they were dependent on alaska
<3> and who would ally with him? noone
<6> CryHavoc: We still don't know how the takedown of Saddam will work out over time.
<0> believe what you will bethor..I outlined a thoroughly logical scenario..backed up by baldly apparent facts
<3> saddam would have no allies if it invaded a neighbor
<3> he
<0> arcade...for the moment..the world economy still functions
<8> The Kurds and Sunni's will never allow themselves to be ruled by the Shia south
<4> Cry: All your facts seem solid. Its just that after all that, I still see no reason for war. Saddam WAS in check. No WMDs were found by the UN.
<4> And now we have proved the UN WAS doing its job
<8> Kurds want an independent Kurdistan
<6> CryHavoc: We'll see how that plays out on the giant chess-board called 'the world' in a few years.
<0> Saddams army would be enough to take Kuwait the UAE and Saudi
<1> Rikkard: the sunnis will have no choice
<3> even colin powell and condi rice stated saddam was in check before 9-11
<6> CryHavoc: The trouble with the war in Iraq is that noone dares go against Iran at the moment. The US doesn't seem to have enough forces left to take on another war - and Iran seems to have nuclear plans.
<8> no choice? How is that?
<3> the sunnis gained more seats than the kurds!
<3> that surprsied me
<0> bethor..HAHAHA the UN was doing its job all right.. stuffing pockets with dirty deals and as usual crapping on the USA
<1> Linus-: did you say BEFORE?
<8> What if the Sunni's declare an independent state in the center of whats now Iraq?
<0> the UN is a corrupt, anti-american, anti-freedom organization
<3> that's when they made their public comments
<6> CryHavoc: It's almost so that I wish that Russia invades Iran, unfortunately THAT would certainly create an international outcry.
<8> US Leads the UN, so I guessed we crapped on ourselves
<1> Rikkard: then they will be killed by the shia
<4> Cry; that is just bull****. The corruption scandal has nothing to do with their inspections on WMDs
<4> you are just trying to confuse the fact
<1> Rikkard: and the kurds
<3> when the sanctions were up for renewal
<0> alas..we do not lead the UN
<8> The Kurds want their own state even more
<0> we should kick them out of the USA
<8> Iraq needs to be partitioned
<4> And you shouldnt lead the UN
<4> as we have seen
<3> Rikkard, the kurds and israel are becoming allied
<8> We do lead the UN...its called the Security Council
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