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Comments:
<0> I think polls are worthless in close races
<1> The race isn't particularily close
<0> the closer the more worthless
<1> Since the Conservatives are leading the Liberals by like 9-10%
<0> but to say there completly worthless is not very accurate
<2> you cannot total mutually exclusive percentages
<2> those surely aren't the only possible otucomes, also, one outcome might accompany another
<1> Actually, those are basically the only possible outcomes
<2> while others can't possibly co-exist
<1> and those outcomes CANNOT accompany one another
<1> Since they are forming the government
<1> You can't have a Liberal minority government and a Conservative minority government at the same time.
<1> You also can't have a Conservative minority government and a Conservative majority government at the same time.
<2> you stated that theres an 88% chance that conservatives and liberals will be a minority?
<1> I stated there is an 80% chance the Conservatives will form the government in a minority status
<1> I stated there is an 8% chance the Liberals will form the government in a minority status
<2> ok then
<2> more clear
<1> Its all about forming the government
<2> so you predict noone will have true majority basically
<1> I think its unlikely for all involved
<1> Nobody will form a majority government (over 50% of seats)
<2> what are some of the other parties?
<1> NDP, Greens
<1> They won't form government
<2> ah
<1> Bloc Quebecois doesn't run enough candidates to form government
<2> of course not
<1> Christian Heritage party
<1> Um
<1> Trotskyist League of Canada
<2> of those, which is most prevalent
<1> Communist Party
<2> ndp?
<1> Marxist-Leninist Party
<2> or greens?
<1> NDP
<1> Last parliament looked like this
<2> what % of seats, generally?
<1> Liberals with 133 seats (155 for majority)
<1> Conservatives with 99
<1> NDP with 19
<1> Bloc Quebecois with 60
<2> wow
<2> I'm surprised about bloc
<1> I'm not
<1> They only run candidates in Quebec
<1> but theres lots of seats there
<2> yeah
<2> so have libs traditionally crought in bloc for a majority?
<2> brought
<1> No
<1> There is no history of coalition government in Canada
<2> so, the polls suggest that conservatives will have a net gain of 34 seats relative to liberals?
<1> Parties have to form a majority government all on their own
<1> I think the Conservatives will gain to about 125-130 seats
<2> i don't understand the difference
<1> The Liberals will fall to 80
<1> Bloc will gain
<1> NDP will gain to probably 25
<2> that's a huge drop
<2> sounds unprecedented
<1> Not really
<1> The Progressive Conservative party in 1993 went from a minority government with about 130 seats, to 2 seats
<2> holy ****
<1> Though their party had split up
<2> do they even exist now?
<1> and the Reform Party won a bunch
<2> oh ok
<1> No
<1> The two conservative parties formed into the 1 Conservative Party of Canada
<2> 2!
<1> in 2003?
<2> damn
<2> progressive conservative, what a poor choice of name
<3> hey herzen
<3> do you think the progressive canadian party is scheming people out of votes
<3> i dont think they should have even been allowed to call themselves that
<2> in usa, theres moderate conservatives, who are strong on defense but more moderate on social issues
<3> they are showing up on the ballots as PC is some ridings
<2> but hwta makes for a progressive conservative?
<1> lol I think they're a bunch of toads
<1> so no
<4> Herzen I have found the canadian elections to be quite interesting .. and particularly because you and pickle have discussed them so much.
<3> well they show up on the ballots as the PC Party
<3> in some ridings
<4> tomorrow I believe are the elections .. I hope you will be able to come in for a while. Imagine you will be busy working for your party tho.
<1> I will be in for a bit in the morning
<4> cool
<1> i'm scrutineering at a poll and driving seniors to vote if they can't otherwise
<3> nice
<4> we will all be eager to hear all about the elections :)
<3> scrutineering!
<2> driving miss daisy!
<3> standing behind the polling booth with a baseball bat
<4> I'm sure you will have some stories to tell us later in the week
<5> goppp coined a new word yesterday, can't remember what it was tho
<1> There are so many stories and scandals to tell already
<2> eager? not really. interested? somewhat :)
<0> What does scrutineering mean exactly
<5> rond: think 'scrutinizing'
<4> observing?
<1> For instance, Liberal party candidates have stopped putting the Liberal party logo and Paul Martin's names on their pamphlets/signs
<1> because they're embar***ed
<2> volunteer scrutinizing
<5> overseeing, monitoring, ensuring compliance
<1> rond, basically we have a list of Conservative supporters, and we check them off as they come in
<4> herzen .. rofl .. no ****?
<3> http://andrewcoyne.com/2006/01/latest-liberal-attack.php thats my favourite scandal so far
<2> mutineer
<1> and when they don't come in by like 3 or 4, we'll give them a call and remind them to vote, ask them if they want a ride
<0> so your not watching for "SCANDALS"
<1> rond, also we stay around and watch them count, to make sure everything is proper
<2> Herzen, you only keep track of certain voters?
<0> but your just mostly just making sure your party comes in ?
<3> guy called into a candidates debate that was live on tv and asked the conservative if it was true that he ***ually ***aulted some woman
<1> rond, yeah
<2> oh, not official poll worker
<0> k
<3> and it was traced back to liberal party hq
<4> you never have to look far to find corruption in politics .. but it has been pretty well covered up in Canada until this past year or so.
<0> See Timur the definition didn't really match the task
<4> then the **** hit the fan
<2> td-, gasp
<5> rond: well, in a sense it did
<2> all of them are evil!
<5> ensuring compliance that the expected people arrived
<1> CometBaby, We really didn't have a well organized national Conservative party until 3 years ago
<2> it doesnt ensure compliance
<3> where is stockwell day!
<1> When the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservative Party's conglomerated
<2> it acts as surrogate jewish mother
<1> td-, Stockwell Day better not get a cabinet position
<1> The man is an idiot
<5> it ensures records are kept that the expected people are there, and if not, it's known
<3> C should have run peter mckay for PM
<2> stockwell day sounds like a holiday
<1> Harper is good
<3> peter mckay is better!
<5> see rond, I gave a definition broad enough to be apt.
<2> and they call them with guilty reminders
<3> peter mmmmmkay
<1> Peter McKay is a wad on social issues, and hes not a family man
<0> you covered your ***
<1> Run him next ticket
<0> :)
<3> get him a wife!
<2> it aint scrutineerizing
<1> Who, Belinda?
<5> rond: no, I used English.
<3> damn bitch broke his heart!
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