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<0> using the nukes
<1> US-Male: or we can use the nukes to make oil from shale or from tarsands
<1> or even from coal
<0> and of course, electrical power directly
<2> Lupine: you see anything about a lightweight metallic frame that would be worn to evenly distribute the weight so that soldiers could move much more easily?
<1> if the price of electricity drops due to m***ive government subsidies in nuclear power
<3> other standard loads: platoon gunner, 120lbs, RTO 130lbs
<0> tarsands, they add a ****load of water and it floats up
<1> then people will us emore electricity and less oil
<4> e-Hernick, the price will never drop
<1> Well, the problem is, how do you get anybody to run on this platform..
<1> "If you elect me, I will build 20 nuclear plants!"
<0> e-Hernick, get someone with balls
<2> e-Hernick: what US-Male said
<3> tweek: well, the major problem with greater body armor, especially shoulders/arms/side-panels is.. you can no longer effectively shoulder your rifle to fire..
<4> But we should surely get rid of oil burning electric plants
<2> have them eliminate Social Security too
<5> TheTailor: and gas ones
<1> As for the military, I say that the US should start investing hundreds of billions to develop a robotic army
<2> Lupine: good point, never thought of that. a simple wire frame might not interfere with firing, though
<6> they should invent a car that runs off of whale blubber.
<4> jv, well the gas burners are few and far between, and sit right on top of gas deposits
<6> and solve that fossil fuel problem
<1> the main source of electricity is coal
<1> the USA has got plenty of coal though
<5> coal produces too much radioactivity :/
<1> it polutes like crazy, which is unfortunate..
<7> Ibrahim Rugova died..
<3> tweek: well, the problem is.. once you get to a certain point, every single pound of additional weight, becomes that much greater of a burden
<4> e-Hernick, 30% is generated by oil burning plants last I looked
<8> goethermal education office: http://geothermal.marin.org/
<1> TheTailor: 30% by OIL? are you sure? that's crazy..
<4> I know it's crazy, but three it is.
<4> there
<3> it's all fine and dandy for us to sit on IRC "hey, they're not giving our soldiers the best body armor!".. and totally ignore the real world consequencies for adding an additional 20-25lbs to a soldier
<8> US dept of Energy, Geothermal: http://www.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/
<2> Lupine: last thing I was suggesting; I remember seeing an article about it and wondered what you thought. now I know, though...
<1> http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/figes2.html
<1> I see 3% by oil
<2> and I can't stand politicians that do that, for the record.
<8> GEO-HEAT CENTER: http://geoheat.oit.edu/
<2> they could give a **** less about soldiers.
<3> tweek: yea, this was in response to a "debate" a few nights ago.
<3> but I totally didn't think of the effects of shoulder/arm armor on using a rifle!
<6> soldiers are weak minded people
<8> Sandia National Labs - Geothermal: https://cfwebprod.sandia.gov/cfdocs/GPI/
<4> e-Hernick, odd, not long ago someone else cited stats that showed 30, I thought it was nuts then too
<8> "The geothermal energy potential beneath our feet is vast. This tremendous resource amounts to 50,000 times the energy of all oil and gas resources in the world."
<1> TheTailor: well, these are government numbers
<9> http://bash.org/?605501
<10> geothermal eh
<4> e-Hernick, well it's comforting to see only 3%
<8> "The potential for growth is substantial. The international market for geothermal power development could exceed $25 billion (total) for the next 10 to 15 years. At the present time, U.S. technology and industry stand at the forefront of this international market."
<1> TheTailor: what worries me is natural gas power production.. cause LNG is a good automotive fuel and we're wasting it for electricity production
<3> e-hernick: of course, if we had built clean nuclear plants, we'ld have freed up a hell of alot of LNG for other uses
<4> e-Hernick, we should be building nuce plants by the dozen
<4> nuke even
<1> TheTailor: I agree completely
<8> "However, the cost of geothermal heat and electricity remains higher than the least-cost conventional technologies and the near-term market for geothermal energy is uncertain, presenting a major challenge for the U.S. geothermal industry. Significant work is still needed to lower costs and create incentives to spur the market for geothermal heat and power."
<3> in fact, by doing that, if we had switched over most city fleet vehicles to LNG.. we'ld be *SO FAR BETTER* off
<1> And also working on R&D for better nuclear plants
<1> current designed aren't very throttlable
<4> nomin, post a URL
<1> a major advantage of natural gas plants is that they are very very throttlable
<8> Geothermal Basics Overview: http://www.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/overview.html
<1> geothermal is a joke.. It can't provide more than an insignificant fraction of worldwide energy needs
<1> while it's nice to have some geothermal, it's not suitable for any large-scale power production
<1> as you pointed out earlier, the geothermal energy market for the next 15 years is similar to what.. a dozen nuclear plants?
<1> and those are optimistic numbers, too
<1> most likely, building five nuclear plants or so, would produce just as much energy as pushing geothermal development as far as we can for the next 15 years
<1> the difference being, we can build 150 nuclear plants in that time period, if we so desire
<10> how is the earth's heat going to be used to generate electricity
<10> (veague is fine)
<10> i can think of a few ways, i'm just curious to waht has been proposed seriously
<10> great
<11> suna: Geothermal works pretty well, if you can get to the lava.
<11> ;)
<8> geothermal is the way of the future
<1> suna: there are a few hot spots where the heat is easily accessible, and geothermal is mature technology.. in iceland, it's huge.. also, a great spot for geothermal would be the yellowstone park
<8> the earth can go for a while without the sun
<8> look at all the lava in the earth
<1> I think that all proponents of geothermal should start campaigning to build plants all over yellowstone national park
<8> the earth is similar to a battery
<1> nomin: uh, don't say that the earth core is heated by the sun
<1> nomin: or you'll prove yourself to have been talking out of your *** even more than you have
<2> (hint: it isn't)
<8> yellowstone park is rising, it actually explodes every couple hundered thousand years in a m***ive explosion
<12> Back for a bit waiting for someone to go eat. Oil could go up to as much as $100.00 a barrel and the high cost has noone to blame but he environmentalists and obstructionists who have faught for political reasons (There is no common sense reason) Drilling ANWR and building about 20 Nuclear plants, and using alternative sources where we can do so ecomicaly, Gas at 100 a barrel will be about $4 a gallon.
<1> nomin: please go on about your "earth is a battery theory"
<10> before server problem....
<10> <10> how is the earth's heat going to be used to generate electricity
<10> <10> (veague is fine)
<10> <10> i can think of a few ways, i'm just curious to waht has been proposed seriously
<1> suna: there are a few hot spots where the heat is easily accessible, and geothermal is mature technology.. in iceland, it's huge.. also, a great spot for geothermal would be the yellowstone park
<10> ah
<10> okie dokie, i thought people were refering to something else
<13> Today was our 98th consecutive day w/o measurable percipitation
<8> to hell with "hot spots". R&D so that everywhere is a "hot spot"
<11> l0c0: Where?
<10> r&d?
<12> The environmentalists screwed my dad and I out of a lot of money from a delvelopment we did where 3 nuclear power plants were goign to be built 200 miles from any population center and was approved until the anti nukes got nuclear power banned in the 70s.
<1> nomin: these are excellent spots for geothermal energy extraction http://www.nps.gov/yell/nature/geothermal/ycr/activity.html
<8> suna, research and development
<8> e-Hernick, thanks for the link
<12> I would be wealthy today.. I dont sweat it I dont really care, but you know these people who often are wealthy already impact a lot of people economically that they dont even realize and #1 it will be the consumer.
<14> wc
<1> Me, I say that all advocates of geothermal power should start campaigning for building a power station on top of "Old Faithful"
<14> oops
<1> nomin: do you agree that we need to exploit "Old Faithful" at once?
<12> Its always rich kids i see coming to my door to collect for th Sierra club, Never any kids who are looking for the opportunity to be the first in their family to get a degree and a job which pays 40k a year or more.
<12> They have never come to my house.
<1> environmentalism is evil
<8> e-Hernick, it would make much more sense to be able to get the heat from all parts of the earth to the surface, thus making everyone in the world energy indepenent
<2> you, uhm, give away degrees and $40k starting jobs?
<2> because if so... :)
<8> I need $$$ too
<12> because of these specific environmentalists ( I wont paint with a large brush), Our national security is weakened, out economic wealth is weakeened, we are weakened. jobs are weakened. You know go see Cinderally man, and see if you would like to live like that, Its a good movie because its realisic, My mom didnt even have meat to eat in the depression.
<12> When all these rich environmentalists push us to a depression (Which I dont think would happen but I almost wish it would to teach them a valuable lesson), They would quickly become more interested in human suffering than the suffering of animals which wont suffer anyway at anwr.
<8> 6 km below us is waters boiling point, lets get that heat out for electricity
<2> FreeTrade: I'm not so sure...
<12> They said about the pipeline you have heard a 100 times, The pipeline would interrupt the breeding of the caribou the scientists told us and they would die off. Well apparently they like the privacy of having *** behind the pipeline, there numbers are way higher than the number of caribou before the Alaskan Pipeline.
<3> oh wait..
<12> I speak truth, and I speak common sense. Try to refute me on any point I have just stated.
<11> Free: Crude... its Caribou viagra.
<11> :P
<1> Lupine: iceland
<12> heh
<8> Lupine, some earthquakes have been caused in regions of geothermal use.
<1> geothermal energy is really an awesome thing.. but only in those few places where the energy is easy to access
<8> lawsuits resulted
<12> heheh Its something because those caribou really went at it ;)
<3> e-hernick: IOW: you make extensive use of geothermal energy, and you end up with an iceland. nice :-)
<2> FreeTrade: try to refute? well, err. more caribou = interference.
<12> There is no evidence, ANY Earthquakes have been caused by man.. Or well there is nothing remotely conclusive..
<1> Lupine: iceland is an awesome place, even if its winter, some of the lakes are always hot because of geothermal
<2> FreeTrade: not that I care.
<12> We are not even sure if a nuclear bomb could cause a earthquake beyound its own shock. Though its possible if planted in a fault.
<8> to hell with iceland, we should R&D so that the whole world can use the heat that's below us
<3> FT: sure there is, didn't you watch Superman?
<12> But there is no evidence of it.
<12> Just theory
<12> Just hypothesis
<12> I get in trouble every time I use theory interchangeably with hypothesis.
<2> nomin: to hell with big chunks of taxpayer money spent on fruitless research. pure science should be left in the private sector...
<1> nomin: are there respectable scientists that agree with you, that R&D would let us exploit geothermal energy everywhere?
<8> e-Hernick, I think there are a few. I would have to research to see who they are.
<15> Theory of gravity has been disproven
<1> AAAman: intelligent falling is all the craze!
<1> god is keeping us down!
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