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Comments:
<0> AAA yes gotta love RATIONAL
<1> Lupine: who? what?
<0> reality ****s huh?
<2> Lup: are you implying asbestos would've saved the WTC?
<1> rofl
<3> OcDoc: the "safer" insulation they had to switch to, blew away instantly
<4> Timur, Enginneers still debate this today
<0> AAAman want to hear irrational?
<2> blowing away bearded Muslims with bombs is still safer
<3> timur: depends on what you mean by "saved".. but from what I've seen, it would ahve greatly delayed any substantial collapse
<0> get off my property
<0> white man
<4> I have been on their bulletin boards or blogs or whatever they call them now days they have debated over and over whether asbestos might of made a difference or not.
<0> go back to england bitch
<3> as it allowed the fire to directly heat the metal.. where as it would have been hours before it was in the danger zone
<1> Lupine: ah
<2> delayed, perhaps.
<0> or whatever little happy land you call home
<5> welcome to #home-construction please be respectfull of other chatters and keep the topic of conversation to construction, home improvement, contracting, etc. You can visit our website at www.geocities/construction-irc.com to see our channel rules. Enjoy! - set by @Majestic13 2:00PM
<4> These are structural engineers who dont have a answer.
<3> because, *structually* the impact did not take it down. It was the heat that took it down
<2> right
<0> AAAman you are the epitome of whiteman, ignorant and stupid trying to get everyone else to go along with your ideals
<3> Now, even if it didn't collapse, I dunno if they could have "repaired it" thou
<2> but I wonder if airplane fuel would've been prevented from melting the steel by asbestos or not.
<3> timur: an additional 5 seconds would have saved the life of my good friend
<6> who else is voting Harper
<0> and not i didn't call YOU stupid
<2> Lup: sorry to hear that
<7> Dog requests supper
<3> timur: yea, as it is rated to withstand it
<4> its possible asbestos would of saved them, this type of asbestos is not harmful to anyone but the person applying it and hes in a full body suit and hes spraying it encapsulated with a cement like mix that they spray on steal beams and columns to fireproof them.
<0> then feed your dog
<2> I know a fireman who was dug out from under his truck
<0> and feed yourself too
<2> good thing he had his radio and they could triangulate somehow
<3> timur: he was literally running out the front doors and it collapsed on him. He survived initially, but eventually died form his injuries
<2> :(
<4> Any one know which type of asbestos they used on the lower floors /
<4> The most common kind is virtually harmless.
<2> this fireman later spent 3000 dollars on a tattoo from neck to bottom of his back, twin towers with an angel above them
<1> the only people who have had clearly demonstrated health problems from asbestos were world war 2 shipyard workers
<3> what I find ***inine is.. they'll rip out asbestos tiles.. which will make it FAR more dangerious
<7> A well fed dog is happiness
<0> asbestos comes from a type of volcanic rock
<4> crocodolite is dangerous because it has like a barb in it naturally so it stays int he lung
<1> the paranoia about asbestos has been expensive and harmful
<0> its so fine that it buries itself in your lungs
<3> OcDoc: right, unsafe work pratices is what the probelm is
<4> Asbestos comes in many forms and they are from very safe to very dangerous, and they are mined from the earth correct
<0> like fibregl*** but worse
<2> http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/asbestos\
<0> asbestos is a natural occuring substance
<1> LUpine: well, retrofitting schools for example
<4> ocdoc, inded, encapulating would of been much healthier than ripping it out.
<7> Either we are serious about fighting this war on terror or we are not. I need more money--- now dance
<1> very expensive and disruptive
<0> its dust
<0> bsaically
<3> ocdoc: and very dangeriuos to the kids, as now the **** gets everywhere
<2> which causes horrible scarring of the lungs, which not all dust does.
<4> The abatement puts tons of the crap in the air.
<1> Hemi: but fibergl*** probably does not cause any serious health problems
<0> Timur yeap
<0> its not like coal
<1> so it's not just the shape of the fiber
<0> its finer
<0> some people have a resistance to it
<0> some don't
<4> In fact new regulations are in many cases they dont want you to remove it. They want you to encapsulate it, even if you do remove it they want its a good idea to encapsulate it.
<3> right, it is the fine asbestos dust that is the problem.. not when its mixed in with ceramic and in hardened form
<1> Timur: read the details ... it is rare
<0> those that don't die quick and p*** it on to their family
<3> FT: right, ripping it out is liek the worst thing you can do!
<2> now it is, sure.
<0> asbestos is bad **** man
<4> Which is the one which is pretty safe, Icant think of the name, It is in roofing tiles and siding.
<1> Lupine: the problem is it may not stay that way
<4> Dolomite ?
<0> FT yes
<4> IO would have to review my studies.
<1> Lupine: but only the crocidolite is the dangerous form ... not ALL forms of asbestos
<4> Is there one which starts with an s ?
<5> welcome to #home-construction please be respectfull of other chatters and keep the topic of conversation to construction, home improvement, contracting, etc. You can visit our website at www.geocities/construction-irc.com to see our channel rules. Enjoy! - set by @Majestic13 2:00PM
<0> its Dolomite
<1> no
<0> i don't know the S one Dolomite is the natural form of it
<4> Anyway they found that even people who breathed large quantities of it cleared it from their system within 30 days.
<0> FT
<0> yeap
<2> http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2003-111/pdfs/2003-111b.pdf
<0> and those that didn't died QUICK
<4> And most asbestosis cases involve long term asbestos exposure in the shipyard during ww2 amongst heavy smokers.
<2> Table 1-1. Asbestosis: Number of deaths by ***, race, and age, and median age at death, U.S. residents age 15 and over, 1990-1999
<1> http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/asbestos/default.html
<2> TOTAL 10,914
<4> I knew a lawyer who worked for a law firm in San Francisco which specialized in These lawsuits.
<4> Timur, go back and reasearch how many of them were 2 pack a day smokers and where they were exposed ?
<4> ! I mean;)
<1> http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pdfs/77-169b.pdf
<4> highest risk group, Shipyard workers, ww2 who are heavy smokers.
<1> chrysotile and amosite
<0> ahhaha you guys...
<0> I am reading about Tom Bombadil
<4> I need to import my bookmarks from my old computer, I have tons of websites and stuff dedicated to global warming, Asbestos, Construction materials, MIlitary resources, political resources. Computer supplies and computer articles...
<0> Tom Bombadillo
<0> =)
<1> chrysotile and amosite
<0> ia m re-reading lord of the rings
<2> looks like they sampled for smoking
<0> for the 8th time or so+)
<4> OcDoc, look up crocodolite I believe it is called.
<4> Its interesting
<1> crocidolite
<2> some were heavy, some medium, and some cl***ified as 'nonsmokers' (> 100 cigs in their lifetimes)
<0> yeh nothing is bad for you
<0> FT is so machismo
<2> lol
<1> the studies say most sources of asbestos studies were "mixed"
<2> I chew asbestos daily
<2> hasn't harmed me none
<1> Timur: I posted the relative risk earlier
<2> cept'n fer no teeth and this large tumor
<2> other than that tho just fine
<4> Timur, I only said the largest risk groups were long term exposure and heavy smokers. YOu see these tort lawyers who make money suiing off asbestos quickly learn who the average victim is
<1> five times normal overall just from asbestos ... ten times normal just from smoking ... fifty times normal from both
<4> But other articles support it too.
<4> Studies
<2> I wasn't really so interested in the lawyers so much as the actual risk.
<4> OcDoc, yep
<2> independent of smoking
<4> Well OcDoc just told you
<2> right 5 X
<1> and I posted the NIOSH/CDC criterion document
<2> that's pretty significant.
<4> Smoking heavey increaeses it to 50 times.
<2> that's also significant.
<4> The key here is if you did have prolonged exposure to Asbestos, A good advice would be stop Smoking, NOW.
<2> the fact that one is significant doesn't minimize the significance of the other
<1> the two big health risks that are unique to asbestos are interstitial fibrosis and mesothelioma, both rare
<4> OcDoc, yep.
<1> the five times/fifty times is from lung cancer overall
<2> I gotta decide what movie to see tomorrow
<1> Timur: end of the spear
<4> OcDoc, when you stop smoking your lung cancer odds decrease to what ? 2.5 times normal population ?
<4> Im curious cause I quit almost 10 years ago :)
<1> Free: back to normal at ten years after quitting
<4> cool!
<2> Oc: what's that about?
<1> Timur: based on a true story about making contact with a violent primitive tribe
<1> South America?
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