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<0> AAMan, Nope, Politics and not facts will rule it
<1> personally, i think we should just stop importing oil from the middle east. we only get 20% of our oil from there. prices will soar, the economy will adjust, people will adjust their spending. we can phase it in over time to lessen the impact, but seriously, screw those guys.
<0> I ask you to rent the tape, Waco: Rules of Engagement
<2> FreeTrade -- What ***urance do you have that politics already is not involved
<3> we have enough oil in current oil wells to last for the next 1000 years
<0> It documents how government commissions do not render justice but instead cover up injustice and they base their response on what they think the voters will approve of so they can get reelected, not on the facts.
<0> There isnt a non political bone in Schumers body.
<2> FreeTrade -- There is no public verification. This is thep sum total of the problem
<3> The oil is made from fossils myth is a 100 year old myth...before plate tectonics
<0> AAAman, there are 50 some transactions or more like this a year.
<2> What is there to hide, but a political decision?
<0> When I got my business license, the public didnt vote on whether an atheist like me could have a buisness license, the go through a standard approval process.
<3> Oil wells that run dry replenish themselves
<0> no politics involved only objectice analysis.
<2> FreeTreade-- Bush has already stated when everyone is aware of the facts they will agree. Let us take him at his word
<1> bwahahahaha
<0> Did he p*** the test ? Is he a California Resident ? Is he over 21 ? Is his License up to date ?
<1> taake him at his word
<1> hahaha
<0> Ok, $30 and move on
<0> its the same way except these companies have to be approved by all the intelligence agence agencies as well as commerce and the attorney Generals office.
<2> FreeTrade -- This is a large bi-partisan effort for a public hearing. If this be politics, that is what democracy is about
<0> Though i think mainly the attorney general can only look for illegal activity like the clinton justice dept allegeded with Microsoft.
<3> Americans can't run ports, that's like asking americans to run a space program
<2> Politics is not a dirty word
<3> or make good cars
<0> This is a bi partisan cluster **** a lot like the Judicial hearings only the normal law doesnt involve any congressional hearings.
<0> And the constitution doesnt say a company has to be cleared by congress to own business in America.
<4> didn't microsoft win that battle?
<3> The Arabs and Chinese run the world shipping
<0> Congress really is just grandstanding like they did Alito, Like they did Katrina.
<3> China could starve the US is a week if it wanted to
<0> If you want another american congressional cluster **** so be it.
<0> I would rather there not be.
<0> I dont want decisions based on politics.
<0> I want them based on US commerce laws and US Intelligence clearance.
<0> otherwise we are all victims of our congress.
<0> Anytime they disapprove of anything a hearing.
<3> If it wasn't the Arabs...the Mafia would be running it
<2> FreeTreade -- REmember, To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
<5> FT but lots of the 'right' went for it, im still looking at it before deciding but starting to lean to 'ok'
<2> I only quote the Constitution
<0> WE have laws which regulate commerce and a process
<0> those laws and the process have been completed.
<2> This is the power of Congress
<6> my wife regulates our commerce :(
<0> There is - net gain in foreign ownership as i understand it.
<3> The Mafia is really the only ones that could take over, but regulations forbid it, the US govt is forced to use foreign companies since they won't let mafia run companies run stuff
<0> Its one foreign company bying another foreign companies interests in a US market
<0> I prefer we go by the rules of law not men.
<7> actually its a foreign government buying a foreign company..since DPW is owned by the Dubai government
<2> On face value the President is ***uming a power clearly provided to Congress by the Constituiton
<0> Thats what makes politics stink.
<0> and as I said I accept people who disagree with the sale based on non ethnic/racial/religious reasons.
<8> kjjkkjllkh
<5> but not legal
<2> FreeTrade -- legal reasons?
<0> Some may believe we shouldnt have any ports owned by ANY foriegn governments.
<3> who really needs to wage wars these days....it's easier to just buy up america
<7> and if a Dubya loyalist like George Pataki is nervous...I'd say there's reason to look into the deal further
<0> I think Bushs speech at the SOTU was to warn us that there is no escape from a global market and protectionism is not going to serve us in the long term.
<3> For the price of a sub...you can gain more land in the US than what that one sub would gain during war
<0> I already knew that but he was talking more to congress.
<0> Most wall street brokers and investment companies and large corporations understand this too..
<9> hey
<0> Japan created a lot of jobs during one Recession when it took over building ford trucks.
<0> Kept a plant 30 miles from me open.
<7> Ensuring the security of New Yorks port operations is paramount and I am very concerned with the purchase of Peninsular & Oriental Steam by Dubai Ports World, Pataki said in a news release.
<7> I have directed the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to explore all legal options that may be available to them in regards to this transaction, said the New York governor, who is still in the hospital recovering from an appendectomy
<0> Pataki is apolitician once again.
<3> heh...not like anybody can do ANYTHING about it, Govt and companies can pretty much do any scam they want and as long as people have TV and a burger, they won't say a wrod
<0> And if you believe politicians more than the rule of law, you may.
<4> yep wot
<4> lol
<4> so true
<4> :)
<0> There is a type of law called administrative law.
<4> and if you do :) look out you might not be here the next day
<10> startkeylogger
<0> This is the kind of law this sale falls under.
<7> which is why Pataki wants to "explore all legal options" i guess...
<0> Its not a political process, the politicians have already made the laws which govern it.
<11> i want to talk about startkeylogger too
<0> So this is all political grandstanding.
<9> Oh man - Russia is up 1-0 over Canada in the last minutes of the game. Come on Russia!
<0> No the legal procedures have been followed, probably his "out" is to follow all legal procedures because there are none
<0> The only way this deal can be broke is if the president breaks it, or if congress writes a new administrative law and applies it retroactively
<0> Legally those are the only 2 options.
<7> Maryland Governor Ehrlich, concerned about security at the Port of Baltimore, said Monday he is very troubled that Maryland officials got no advance notice before the Bush administration approved an Arab companys takeover of the operations at the six ports.
<7> We needed to know before this was a done deal, given the state of where we are concerning security, Ehrlich told reporters in the State House rotunda in Annapolis.
<7> The state of Maryland is considering its options, up to and including voiding the contract for the Port of Baltimore, Ehrlich said, adding: We have a lot of discretion in the contract.
<3> +geeze, people are freaking out...it's not like a country is ivading us and overthrowing bush and setting up companies to take our oil
<1> give them time
<7> apparently Erlich was asking too much..since Dubya didn't even know about the deal until it was done...
<0> DeDannan, YOu can paste politicians statements all day long. But there complaints require an executive order to kill it, or congress to write a new law before the deal is finalized under current law which placed a time limit on the end of the approval process if I recall.
<12> DeDannan, yep
<13> let Maryland reject the deal then
<12> Bush has said he'll veto any legislation that kills the deal
<12> that would be his first veto, btw
<13> he's bluffing
<13> bwt
<7> FT, not really...NY and MD negotiated the contracts with the company...they can void them at their discretion...
<13> btw
<0> DeDannan, This government is not ran by politicians.. They are not justices. They can legislate laws and under their laws this company qualified.. So if politically they want to change the laws so be it, but there emotives are pure political hot air.
<0> Ded, No my understanding is the federal government did. It would be up to the UK company to rescind the deal.
<7> FT, sorry..guess I have less faith in the government than you...
<9> Russia up 2-0 with 30 seconds to go - Canada is done
<0> Ded, I have more faith in the rule of law than politicians.
<0> You are the one with the face in politicians, and I in law.
<0> face = faith
<7> lol
<12> eh. I don't see what the point of defending this is
<0> Katey, Defending what ?
<7> Katey-, defending Dubya at all costs..thats the point...
<1> bush wont really veto the thing
<1> he doesn't know how
<12> I think it's a pretty bad idea to allow any foreign state owned company to have any control over port security
<0> I did not defend dubya
<0> You want to take that back
<0> I am arging on behalf of the sale.
<12> FreeTrade, relax, I didn't direct that remark to you
<0> On the behalf of Dubai. because this is a poltiics channel.
<12> I'm just speaking generally
<0> Well I am not defending Bush, this think hurts bush because of the bigotry of people.
<0> And demogoguery
<13> hey FT I have a contracting question
<0> But I have stood up many times for arabs on this channel but never for terrorists
<0> You may ask why do I ?
<12> I don't think it's bigotry to be concerned that a foreign state owned company is controlling port security
<0> And I will respond its noones Business.
<12> especially if that foreign state is in the Middle East
<0> I will continue to stand up for arabs and muslims who are not Terrorists.
<0> Its not Bush who approved them
<12> Indeed
<0> its I hate repeating myself
<12> he only knew about it a few days ago
<0> Its the CIA, FBI, DIA, Pentagon, STAte Dept and I think on total 16 depts
<12> Yet he's threatening a veto if legislation scuttles the deal
<0> Roughly in that area.
<0> This is administrative law
<14> i'm just surprised that a muslim country could get so close to us, the US.
<12> So even if he didn't know about it or didn't personally approve it, he's willing to veto legislation that would kill it
<0> which means the president doesnt have anything to do with it unless someone says to him how do you feel about this sale
<15> Katey-, so let them override
<12> so he's thrown his support behind it
<0> this process takes place over 50 times a year on average.
<16> i think it's silly to accuse anyone opposed to the sale of being a racist
<0> I have not thought of bush with respect to this deal except how politically it will hurt him
<0> and how the political thing to do and he may yet do it is to order the deal null by exeuctive order.
<0> If Bush does so I will feel he caved to political not moral pressure.
<9> funny how the Cdn Women's team wins gold, setting a new goal scoring record of 16-0 against Italy, yet the men's team, all NHL players, don't even make it to the semifinals
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