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<Publius> integrated
<Publius> DOESNT NMEAN POLICY
<Katey-> When Kennedy was elected it was a big issue that he was Catholic. One of the smears against him was that he'd be more beholden to the Vatican than to the US, etc.
<Publius> what isn't ****ing integrated
<bastille> kiran chetry is beautiful
<VemoD> Atheism
<Publius> VemoD: the dixicrats in the south of the civil war based their politics on slavery, and ect. Does that mean the whole US was behind politics on slaves?
<Publius> and that the south was
<Publius> ?
<Publius> after*
<VemoD> I want a president, a congress, a senate, who says there is no god
<VemoD> Don't be stupid people :)
<Katey-> heh. good luck with that. :)
<Publius> VemoD: I want a government who is partial
<Publius> Venod: If we sway there is no god
<Publius> we are persecuting religous peoples
<Publius> by denying their beliefs
<VemoD> But we have a president, a congress, a senate, a supreme court, who says there *IS* a god
<Publius> Vemod: OOOH NOOOO
<VemoD> So why is my idea far-fetched?
<VemoD> And yours not?
<Publius> cause it is pointless
<Katey-> these days, presidential candidates feel compelled to go out of their way to make sure they point out that they have religious faith.
<Publius> and doesn't even address the problems in the middle east
<Publius> ;p
<Publius> which is where this began
<Publius> with us religious policy, your supposed one
<Publius> heh
<VemoD> Ok, so god is more than integrated...right?
<bastille> Do you believe the world would be better off without religion?
<Publius> VemoD: it's mentioned!
<Publius> OMG OMG OMG
<Publius> RELIGOUS CRUSADE!
<VemoD> Its a National belief almost
<Publius> so?
<Katey-> bastille, I tend to think so. But I understand why many people would disagree.
<Publius> VemoD: why does it matter?
<VemoD> I think we have to consider that when we attack other cultures
<Publius> we aren't attacking their culture
<Publius> not at all
<Publius> maybe some idiots who scream loudly do
<Publius> but they aren't our government
<VemoD> Funny
<Katey-> bastille, but I also think that the ideals of charity, comp***ion, etc are pretty important. I don't want to see them disappear and they are often ***ociated with religion.
<VemoD> You don't understand the first thing about religion
<Publius> Bush has been the largest GOP supporter of Islamic culture
<bastille> without religion there are no moral absolutes
<Publius> and the noble history of the religion
<Publius> do you know anything about our government?
<VemoD> You can't change a person's way of life and their ancestory and not change their religion
<Publius> about Bush and his position on things
<Publius> VemoD; seperation
<Publius> look at democracy
<Publius> and the free world
<bastille> would be chaos
<Publius> I don't give a **** about religious governments
<Katey-> bastille, well, I don't have religion and I do have some moral absolutes
<Publius> because I have not been persecuted by one
<VemoD> pub: You honestly sound like you would have screwed the Native Americans out of their land too
<Publius> and I don't waste time
<Publius> acting like it is
<VemoD> pub: I wouldn't have
<Katey-> I think it's false to say that morality is dependent upon religion.
<Publius> no you wouldn't
<Publius> because you don't know me
<bastille> most people don't
<Publius> I get a scholarship for having a certain pecentage of native american blood
<Publius> ;p
<Publius> VemoD: if you payed attention, I do not support screwing people
<Publius> you would notice
<Publius> er
<Katey-> bastille, most people don't what?
<Publius> lol
<VemoD> pub: Ok....just kill them right?
<Publius> VemoD: wtf is your deal
<VemoD> pub: You agree with this "war" correct?
<Publius> no
<Publius> you just dno't kill them
<Publius> maybe that is what you feel
<Publius> or interpret
<Publius> not me
<Publius> yes.
<Publius> in iraq specifically?
<Publius> or what
<Publius> define your parameters
<VemoD> pub: My deal is I think we should have been smarter. Now that its done its done...but its stupid
<Publius> smarter?
<Publius> so by not being smarter
<Publius> we should be condemned
<Publius> as warmongers and villians
<VemoD> pub: Everything I just said...
<Publius> I suppose that is the kind of intolerance
<VemoD> pertains to my "smarter"
<Publius> ok
<Publius> so what should be doen?
<VemoD> Honestly, thats up to the ***holes that wouldn't listen
<Publius> what was our mistake in "this war"
<Publius> I want to hear what we should/can do
<Publius> it would be nice
<VemoD> I don't think there is anything to do anymore
<VemoD> Its up to the gladiators
<Katey-> I think we're pretty much stuck doing what we're doing.
<Publius> VemoD: I see where you are coming from my friend. it encourages intellectual debate but these men have to deal with reality
<Publius> and action
<Publius> and are responsible for a great many things
<Publius> I want peace and freedom everywhere
<Publius> it just takes time
<Publius> and hard work
<Katey-> heh
<VemoD> pub: I just think in the end we'll realize its not our place
<Publius> VemoD; shall I go into the history of IndoChina of the past 30 years?
<VemoD> pub: but yeah we can ease up on the hate :)
<Publius> VemoD: Bush doesn't hate at all
<Publius> conservatives are pissed at him for this
<Publius> hehe
<Publius> I don't hate much either
<VemoD> pub: I was talking about you and I...we're supposed to meet :)
<Publius> VemoD: oooh
<Publius> I always think big picture..sry
<Publius> hehe
<VemoD> pub: IndoChina?
<Publius> yes
<Publius> vietnam, laos, cambodia
<Publius> basically
<Publius> specifically after us forces left and the democratic congress refused to finance any aide
<Publius> of military or econonic/help
<Publius> food, ect
<VemoD> Oh....like Russia?
<VemoD> :)
<Publius> ?
<Publius> let's focus
<Publius> it is a terrible terrible story
<Publius> americans don't think about it or look because it is still an open wound
<Publius> veitnam, ect
<VemoD> If you tell the story I'll focus
<Publius> being young, I don't haev this wound
<Publius> haha
<Publius> within the dace after 75, it is estimated 5 million people were slaughtered, starved, that whole deal
<compdoc> veitnam is pretty well healed
<Publius> decade
<Publius> after that..it was hard to count considering there was no way to record the info
<Publius> in many areas
<compdoc> we're at peace with the country, and with the veterans
<Publius> compdoc: *fwaaap*
<Publius> VemoD: always getting interupted by something. *sigh*
<compdoc> you need to keep off the caffine
<Publius> I drink oil in the morning, thank you very much
<VemoD> pub: Who have we fought since the vietnam thing?
<Publius> VemoD: what do you mean?
<compdoc> who havent we fought
<VemoD> pub: Since Vietnam, which place have we stepped on their soil and killed people?
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