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<0> yes lets establish an institution called gayrrige , and then our problems will be solved
<1> i mean what's the point, having gay marriage is the simplest way to do it
<0> because its all about the word marriage!
<2> The Underground Alternative Lifestyles Railroad
<3> CryArvach, The homos here were bitchin coz we just had a census, and they were upset that they were asked to put their relationship in 'other', and not 'husband and wife' category
<0> no its not but some people seem to believe that
<4> Otherwise get married symbolically you dont need the governments stamp.
<5> As long as me and my wife can file as a "married" couple for tax breaks, I don't care what you call it.
<4> My Cousin got married.
<4> Hes happy and its not recognized by the state.
<4> But its not illegal either
<6> I'd support the gayriage bill, same rights as a married couple only not sanctioned by God
<5> As long as my wife and I have equal rights to concieve, adopt, and raise our children, I don't care what you call it.
<4> Gay marraige is not illegal or whatever you want to call it.
<7> Nohman state marriage isn't sanctioned by god either
<8> cathy is gay>?
<3> Its not exactly gay
<4> I prefer to think of it as gay committement to be a couple.
<4> not marraige
<1> Fr33Trade: in that case marriage should be defined as a purely religious ritual
<4> Because marraige interfers with the part of my brain which says definitions have reasons and histories, and etymology
<5> At the same time, once that situation comes about, what's the harm in gay couples calling themselves "married?"
<4> and if not for children Hetero***ual marraige should not be recofnized by the state.
<7> I always think of Shakespeare's lin about the rose when this argument comes up.
<6> gayried
<4> the only interest the state can claim in hetero***ual marraige is the welfare of the child.
<4> And though gays may have children its not the norm and while some heteros cant have children its not the norm either.
<5> If marriage is exclusively a religious ceremony and state of being, then why aren't all you proud straights up in arms over people getting sham "marriages" so-called in front of civil judges?
<4> the norm is 99% of children are produced by hetero***ual marraiges.
<4> Or relationships
<5> georgewbu: I'm queer as a $3 bill.
<1> Cathy344: exactly
<1> i don't understand that either
<7> Fr33Trade that's not true, there are many factors of the state in hetero marriage, epsecially when it comes to inheritance, hospitilization, insurance, etc.
<4> Cathy, Can you relate to anything I am saying, Do you understand my point of view ?
<1> if the point is keeping it in the religion, then why can atheists marry?
<6> What happens when you have too many gays in a country? Stagnation of the population, stagnation of the economy, no military, this is exactly what happened to the roman empire
<1> Nohman: haha right
<8> china
<1> yea the world sure needs more people
<4> it seems to many to be more of a fight than a consensus building effort.
<9> Nohman --Roman Empire over expanded
<1> but anyway
<6> No, its population didn't keep up
<1> how does lots of gays equal no military?
<4> I want gays to not have a stigma in society, and I want them to have legal rights, but There is no state interest in marraige, there is only one interest at all for hetero***ual marraige.
<4> again, its children.
<7> Rome's collapse was complex and involved many factors, to boil it down to one cause is moronic.
<1> or stagnation of the economy
<9> Nohman -- Also they suffered from lead poisoning
<5> Gay couples wanting children would seem to be a child welfare solution to me. Not enough straight people seeking to adopt children, yet states are trying to p*** laws to prohibit worthy gay people from doing so.
<6> Gays in the military cause severe morale problems, which is why they are not allowed in
<4> because my brother in law has 10 kids by about 5 or 6 different women
<4> and he pays nothing
<4> y9ou all pay for their raisingt
<4> and the odds are they will be criminals
<4> one already s he broke all the beer bottles at the store in oakland which made national news a couple months ago
<4> the Black muslim who wanted to take out the liquor store poisoning blacks in their neighborhood (Through the lens of his eyes)
<4> I support Gays in the military 100%
<4> why ?
<4> My friends are officers in the military
<4> they have no problem with it
<4> A 18 year old kid can learn to deal with it
<3> http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=2718
<1> i don't see any difference between gay and straight people that would make them unable to serve in the military in any way
<5> FT: Because when you're depending on your commrade to protect your *** in battle, you want him to have a vested interest n that ***?
<4> they are all subject to the uniform code of justice and the behavior in it. Hence homsoexuals in the military have to live at the very least conservative gay lives.
<4> Cathy hahahaha
<1> rofl
<1> extra motivation
<4> To me gays in the military is something I have promoted for a long time I think more than a decade.
<4> I did at one time say it depended on what the generals wanted.
<4> But now I say to hell with the generals, it should just be allowed, and WHY ?
<4> WHY ?:
<10> maybe in the Army
<4> Wel Because gays have fought in every war this nation has been in
<4> Absolutely
<10> and Air Force
<1> because there's no reason not to
<4> And gays are common in the military only they are under wraps, keeping it quiet.
<10> Not in the Navy though
<4> And they are as good a soldier as the next guy
<10> **** women aren't even allowed to serve on submarines
<1> that will probably change soon enough
<4> And they are not after your *** and if they are you have have them disciplines.
<4> s
<4> Disciplined
<4> the same way a female could have a male disciplined who was after her *** in the military
<5> evoke: that's just because there's no humour in "What's long, hard, and full of seawomen" jokes.
<4> Evoke, Mutiny and horniness on submarines
<4> hehehe
<10> lol
<4> Ok but back to serious ness.
<4> look, I started out my politically ideological life as a libertarian
<4> at age 13 I stood up for gay rights in society
<4> And no I have never been gay nor had a gay desire.
<11> sure
<1> not even once? :)
<12> thats nice
<4> But They said they wanted the privacy as adults to do what they want behind closed doors.
<13> gay = perverted = mentally ill = no thanks
<10> how old are u Fr33Trade
<4> I agreed
<1> everyone has at least once :P
<4> they said they would be happy
<4> (They= the politicaly active gay community
<4> Ok so they got it,.
<5> El^JonBen: I'll cop to being a pervert, but not because I'm gay or trans.
<4> Then they said they wanted to be shielded by name from public immunological records which exist to try to eliminate STDs and they won.
<4> Nwo we have more stds of all kinds than ever
<5> I think there's some aspect of EVERYONE's ***uality to label perverted.
<1> El^JonBen^: wow that sure is a nice chain of thought you got there
<4> Well maybe not more than ever but we have a lot of STDS and a lot of lives possibly could of been saved had we notified privately gay contacts of people with HIV
<4> So I was against that because it was a public health issue which had always been emberressing and private and heteros had to go through it.
<5> If HIV/AIDS stopped being a social-political football, there'd be no need to shield the infected from public diclosure.
<5> If it wasn't a scarlet letter, there'd be no need to chiled the infected from public disclosure.
<4> that is if you were diagnosed with VD you were sent to the health dept and they asked for a record of all your contacts, keep it confidential and sought them out quietly and privately and brought them in to get cured and to ask for their contacts.
<2> well FT what to you think of the base theory of how HIV came to be?
<4> the attempt was to get a grip on infectious diseases.
<2> a virus from monkeys mutating inside of us
<13> there seems to be a lot of gays on irc for some reason. there also are many who are mentally ill...
<2> from people eating them?
<5> HIV/AIDS is, predominantly, world wide, a disease of straights, not gays.
<4> Cry which ? I agree it was probably from the green monkey whose blood was splattered in preperation for meals and in which the hiv Mutated to infect humans.
<4> but I dont know.
<4> Cathy, Most straights get it from rough *** though with prostitutes.. A lot of guys apparently I never have but apparely like anal *** with women.
<1> El^JonBen: you're making really great comments, care to elaborate? :)
<13> more like blood splattered during bestiality sessions
<4> its hard to transmit either orally or vaginally
<13> ok, anal bestiality
<5> cunnilingus >>> *
<14> HIV/AIDS is, prodominately, world wide, a disease of promiscous and IV drug users
<10> HIV is a new disease
<4> Your saliva probably kills it, or stomach acids and you need blood to blood contact or fluid to blood.
<13> (and bathhouse freaks)
<10> I agree it was probably spread by gay people
<4> Lupine yes
<10> bi***uals mostly I think
<4> Lupine is right.
<14> Lol, this cop pulls over a car, and pot smoke is BILLOWING out of the car
<15> ita ll about teh gay
<16> jesus, just saw the hannity and colmes vs. phelps clip for the first time. http://badjojo.com/daily/video.php?var=6.04.24/04.wmv
<15> all them gays
<5> It's spread by all demographics, bar none.
<4> No dog in this fight other than the truth
<15> just like jerry fallwell said
<7> According to that Nobel prize winner the Jews created AIDS in order to kill blacks.
<4> Its hard to get orally or vaginally
<14> cathy: sure, but the vast majority is from those two
<7> (anyone remember that?)
<9> (AP) -- It's a Bible Belt state, almost certain to toughen its prohibition of gay marriage next month. A major candidate for governor has called homo***uality evil, and a national gay magazine branded Alabama the worst state for gays and lesbians
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