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<0> Storm_-: it's not "versus" anything, it's a simple issue of who needs wht type of ***istance, and why
<1> sintient, there can be none or plenty of human contact ina computer job.
<2> Sure.
<1> It's not as hermit like as it's made out to be.
<2> But ultimately you are writing code or working with machines.
<3> hello
<2> Sure you need to find out what you are supposed to do from humans.
<4> nigerian terrorists bombed another oil pipeline
<0> if there are plenty of computer-oriented jobs 10 years from now , kids will be fine
<0> if not ... the job market could be problematic for many kids
<2> But getting kids to try hard for 4 years for that kind of position has of course taken the promise of huge amounts of money.
<2> being proficient at surfing the web isn't programming or network management.
<0> 20 yr olds are computer-savvy and some can translate that to business, mayhbe even self-employment
<5> there may be,,,but nothing likenow...
<4> no, feminists achieved better scores for girls by *retarding* the progress of boys
<2> Sure being able to type will help.
<0> these are generalities of course
<5> 20 year olds however lack other needed skills
<1> panini, what?
<5> like reading
<6> and a personality
<0> but if the market s saturated with this talent.... it's a different game
<5> and a moral comp***
<6> and a clue
<5> and did I mention a rounded edu?
<6> is that like an emu?
<5> I know some teens that are crack coders....
<5> but they lack any education otherwise
<4> I know some teens that are crack smokers
<2> Funny thing with reading, in football you aren't told to just play tons of football, they work out in the gym watch films, discuss plays, but reading you are just supposed to read more to get better at it.
<5> EDU = Education or the equiv
<5> in stgead of Educational Institution....
<2> I find computer programmers to be control freaks.
<0> the best bet is high literacy (including writing) skills, AND high math/science skills... as well as others of course
<5> I say you go to an EDU
<0> rounded in that sense
<5> the current crop per se US_Male lacks that rounding,....
<2> They expect so much for this input to equal this outcome they are fragile.
<4> the US ahas already fallen way behind in math/science
<7> HOLY COW!!!! At the recent ShmooCon hacking conference, one security researcher found out the hard way that such venues can be hostile, when an unknown hacker took control of the researcher's computer, disabling the firewall and starting up a file server.
<7> While such compromises have become common in the Windows world, this time the computer was an Apple PowerBook running the latest version of Mac OS X. The victim, a security researcher who asked to remain anonymous, had locked down the system prior to the conference and believes that a previously unknown exploit caused the compromise. However, in the following weeks, forensics performed on the system did not reveal any clues as to how the P
<5> and reading skills are in the toilet too
<1> Lup|ne, nice.
<1> Childish, but nice.
<5> I would be slower on take at building with new tech than someone younger....
<2> There should be an irc cl***, where kids try to have conversation on over the internet everyday, kids would increase their writing typeing and critical thinking skills.
<5> but my component knowledge would dwarf theirs...
<2> -on
<1> sintient, IRC doesn't encourage critical thinking
<1> do you actually read this channel? :P
<2> hah.
<5> what P_O said...
<4> sintient: and spelling :p
<2> Yeah spelling.
<5> I have a better Idea....
<7> and last week, they found an exploit in OS-X.. granted, it is not serious now.. but it proved you can compromise a system
<1> Yeah, spelilng
<5> an actual hard copy book...
<2> typing
<0> I think we did well with girls, and proved our ability to increase their scores -- but let's not forget the boys
<2> Still typing tons live would show spelling problems early.
<4> US-Male: see my previous comment
<8> US_Male has girls and boys on his mind.....pedophile!
<1> US_Male, what scores are you basing this off?
<0> boys act differently than girls, it's not just one size fits all
<2> If you are given 3 drafts and spellchecker and or an editor one might never know you can't spell.
<0> P_O: HS test scores, and college entrance ratios by gender
<4> <4> no, feminists achieved better scores for girls by *retarding* the progress of boys
<2> Aside from estrogen and testosterone isn't most of the differences socially established.
<4> they succeeded in *feminizing* schools
<1> US_Male, HS test scores as in the standardized ones prompted by federal acts?
<1> sintient, probably.
<2> Encouragement for girls to act motherly and for boys to be tough and adventurous.
<0> girls are going to college more than boys -- great for the girls! I like educated young women ;P
<1> sintient, and hell, men can have a lot of estrogen, and men can have a lot of testosterone.
<0> but you know, we owe it to all of the kids to motivate and ***ist
<4> US-Male: even at the expense of boys? Why not try to improve both?
<2> I think that the path of least resistance plays more a roll.
<0> panini: that's what I've been saying for 15 minutes
<1> I really don't see how gender plays into how well you learn.
<4> no you haven't
<8> P_O has a lot of estrogen and little boys man boobs, to boot.
<0> panini: yes, I have.
<1> Yankee27, hey, my man boobs aren't little.
<0> panini: I know what I am saying far better than you
<4> no, see my previous comment
<1> But yeah, I probably do have a lot of estrogen.
<1> Fat kinda does that to you.
<2> Well if someone thinks they will be a mover or drive a truck for living they don't have much reason to read cl***ics.
<2> for a living
<8> who would read cl***ics for a living?
<4> a cl***ics prof
<2> Just as to better oneself.
<0> I do not necessarily agree that educational efforts waere done "at boy's expense" --- it's possible, but I have not seen solid evidence
<2> To increase knowledge for conversation to write, or learn history.
<2> I can't think off much where boys were treated different for girls in my schooling.
<5> prevaricade:
<5> A barrier or wall of lies meant to impede or stop someone from finding out the truth; from the words prevaricate and barrier.
<5> that is pretty good
<4> US-Male: it's always easier to win a race, not by training harder, but by tripping the other runners
<0> all I know for sure is that girls are doing much better than boys, and we can ***ist both
<5> Clinton's cabinet is experienced at throwing up prevaricades
<0> we should never take from one to help the other, past or future
<0> like a parent would help a son & daughter equally
<0> or, maybe help one more if they are failing more
<8> bbiab
<9> <4> US-Male: even at the expense of boys? Why not try to improve both?
<9> panini: go you
<9> i had to step away from my desk for a minute; glad to see you took over my argument :)
<4> hehe
<2> Education is to increase worth maybe the boys have an inflated sense of worth.
<0> Storm_-: your argument (trolling) was the reverse.
<9> um..
<2> Such that they don't think they need an education to survive.
<9> you sure abou tthat?
<0> Storm_-: yes. You're an insufferable troll and a Nazi propagandist
<0> and quite full of **** on any issue I've seen you address
<5> er ist nicht....err he has not raised any swastikas...yet
<0> not today at least
<4> US-Male: you want evidence? read some books like the following: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684849577/qid=1140473661/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/102-9748441-0693726?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
<2> Maybe girls think they need to educated more than boys to compete in the job market.
<5> I called him the one time....and warned.....
<4> and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0787977616/qid=1140473661/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-9748441-0693726?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
<5> I actually think they should Gender separate school kids.....
<5> it would solve a lot of problems...
<4> yes
<2> Dude I mostly went to school to be around girls.
<4> they used to do that because it was obviously a good thing
<5> making sure that the teachers were up to snuff for both genders
<4> but we then got confused by feminism
<5> they would be able to concentrate more on studies
<0> panini: it is possible that some things were done at the expense of boys. However, I do not think that needs to be proven in order to fix the problem
<5> some things would have to chage though from my parents' day....
<5> example. girls should not have to get permission to take math courses
<0> I am more focused on solving the problem by educating those who are falling behind
<1> CryHavoc, **** that.
<1> **** that hard.
<4> CryHavoc: they don't
<5> segregating by Gender would go a long way to that goal
<5> P_O......you can do that out of school :P
<1> lol
<1> Seriously though, gender seperated schools would blow.
<5> no they would not
<1> Oh yes they would.
<4> it has huge advantages
<10> presidential trivia...and don't google this, why did abe lincoln wear such a big hat?
<0> ;P
<5> instead of concentrating on the squeaky females..they could concentrate on school work
<1> A good portion of the reason why I continued to go to school was because of my female friends.
<4> yowz||: because it was *fashionable*
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