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<0> lol what was that supposed to mean?
<0> phosphero: what do you know about fascism? is it better than democracy?
<1> phosphero: what does genocide mean to you?
<2> John is implying that Jews will cost my career for challenging official history with inconvienent facts.
<2> Well, they can't me my career.
<2> heh
<2> So I have no fear to speak about nearly anything.
<0> what line of work are you in?
<0> is john jewish?
<0> he keeps saying **** to the effect of: "we" control you
<2> Genocide is an organized campaign to exterminate a people(s) by physical elimination.
<0> arrogance is so ugly... people like john make me sick
<1> and that physical elimination has recklessness involved as well no?
<2> Maybe he works for the CFR...more likely he is simply buying into the illusion that he has influence over the world he doesn't.
<1> starvation is a systematic way to exterminate people?
<1> no?
<2> Starvation is, but that isn't the claim, apuzilla.. The claim is that the Germans used Zyklon-B administered in crematories in the Auschwitz-Berknau camp, to systematically exterminate 1000's at a time and cremated their remains in open pits and in the single unit cremation ovens.
<0> whats the CFR?
<1> letting diseases like typhus is also another systematic way of exterminating people as well?
<1> that was but 1 method
<1> there were other methods no?
<1> and what about all the piles of the dead bodies of jews unearthed?
<3> zyklon b can also be used for delousing
<0> hey phosphero i have a serious question for you
<3> how were the lice still alive?
<2> A few people did starve at the end of the war, some people died of typhus, but the Germans did not carelessly let these things run out of control. There was considerable time, money, and effort expended to control diseases, treat the workers, and care for these people.
<0> use your brain on this one
<1> so why didn't the germans do that?
<1> how can millions of jews just "dissappear"?
<2> These camps were not death camps, they were labor camps, they were making the weapons and equipment needed to further the war. They didn't want these people dead..
<0> how can i love what i do and become a completely driven, supremely confident madman and businessman?
<1> there were millions of jews we can agree to that right?
<1> they didn't want certain people dead
<1> women and children couldn't be kept to make weapons
<2> They wanted them out of Germany and into Madagascar ...but that is ethnic cleansing by forced emigration. Its a far different claim that genocide of 6 million...reduced to 4 million..reduced to 3 million..reduced to 2.5 reduced to ..
<1> thus they "dissappeared"
<0> i have a pretty high iq but my drive fluctuates, i lack self confidnece, energy fluctuates
<2> They claimed there were g***ings in every single camp... Then retracted those to just include Auschwitz.
<2> Well, I looked at Auschwitz.
<0> **** the holocaust
<0> its history
<1> so ... germans wanted the jews in madagascar
<1> but none of them arrive and the ones that did were very few
<0> how can i turn myself into a maniaclly driven businessman?
<0> i want supreme confidence and i want to work myself to death
<0> what should i do phosphero?
<2> I don't see millions.. I see quite a few that died of Typhus & old age, but we are not talking about millions here. Even the population evidence after the war doesn't support that. The Jews still managed 3% population growth during that period.
<1> if all this effort in getting m***ive trasnportation of jews to these camps why not just take them to a madagascar?
<0> **** the holocaust!!
<1> so then why can't you explain to me what happened to the women the old and the children?
<1> that could be of no use to make weapons
<0> you'll never convince each other
<0> you both have formed opinions you hold dearly
<0> so stfu
<2> They were used in the labor camps as labor. Many of them did voluntarily emegrate to other places.
<1> voluntarily?
<0> cmon phosphero let me borrow your brain for 5 minutes
<1> so first they are forced to go to these camps
<0> i need to figure out how to create m***ive drive in myself and self confidence
<1> and then they could get and leave?
<2> At some camps, like Dauchau they could indeed.
<2> But not everyone ..
<1> so they chose to stay at these camps
<1> knowing what their faith was?
<2> Some of those in those camps were imprisoned communist, common criminals, and those whom had fought as partisians and even committed acts of sabotage..Those people were never free to go.
<1> so how do you explain the dissappearance of all the jews?
<1> and the pile of dead bodies found?
<1> buried*
<2> There were no genocides at Dauchau...Even the Israeli Holocaust museaum admits that there were no extermination camps inside of Germany itself.
<2> The only claim they are still making is that there were g***ings at Auschwitz and that 4 million were killed there.
<1> which you dont believe is true correct?
<2> Show me the piles of dead bodies of Jews that died of anything other than typhus and old age...
<1> how can they show you?
<2> The medical examiners from the army looked at them, and concluded there was no evidence of g***ings and the deaths were due to typhus.
<1> would you like individual photographs of each body?
<1> well im going to poland soon
<2> I think I'll take the armies corener report over an empty claim.
<1> definately want to check out auschwitz
<3> Phosphero: and the medical examiners had time to do detailed autopsys on the PILES of bodies?
<3> you got to be kidding me with that claim
<3> hell even look at all the boides
<3> bodies*
<2> Not at all, crookeds, people were sick with typhus when they got there and still dying of it - they no longer had any medicines on hand to treat anyone. The conditions were pretty bad everywhere by the end of the war. There was almost no way to get supplies in from anywhere.
<2> The US army had to do it by *air* for more than a month.
<2> the Russians had similar logistical problems because most of the bridges were smashed out.
<2> But the Russians took over their sets of camps, the Americans the others, and they continued to administer them for a considerable length of time.
<3> you didnt answer my question at all
<2> In the process they treated the sick in the already existing hospitals, used the already existing post offices, the same cremation ovens... They did indeed do autopsies on the bodies waiting for cremation.
<3> you just changed the subject slightly
<2> They were looking for evidence of war crimes, and their report didn't find them.
<2> Their report concluded nearly everyone died of typhus, and found no evidence of shootings, or g***ings.
<0> so phosphero
<0> did you get my last question?
<2> Cease to care about what you don't need.
<3> lol ok
<3> im going to bed
<3> with dreams of the holocaust in my head
<2> http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/ If you want to read a little about Auschwitz and the problems on the physical evidence side, the Rudolf Report is very well done.
<3> cause it is obviously fake
<2> he was looking at the chemical evidence, and that is where he focused his efforts. I spent my time looking at Nuremburg, and there is a reason they don't make that easy to get to. ha
<2> Everyone had their reasons..
<0> Cease to care about what you don't need. <-- directed at me?
<2> Yes.
<1> phosphero: you do know the nazi's documented the incoming of m***ive jews and how many were killed?
<1> and physical evidence that they ordered tons of cyanide
<2> The National Socialist did indeed keep records of camps ...who was there, who left, who was deceased, and why they died. Those books exist, and they don't include g***ins. They do include several executions, many of them of german guards for rough treatment of prisoners.
<0> so be frugal?
<0> how can i become incredibly driven with energy and whatnot?
<1> and what about the evidence of himmler ordering the commanders to destory certain parts of the camp?
<2> They ordered tons of cyanide, yes, they ordered zyklon-B which a hydrocyanic poison.
<1> so what were they going to do with all that cyanide?
<2> What evidence? A confession from a person the Russians sodomized with a lampshade?
<2> By the russians own admission..
<2> They used the zyklon-B for pest control, mostly to kill lice, feas, ticks, roaches, and other vermin. Its not a common poison now, though it is still manufactured.
<1> how can he have been captured?
<1> if he killed himself?
<2> They had to disinfect ALL of the beds, blankets, clothing -- they did this as part of their effort to control the outbreaks of ...typhus!
<1> so why kill yourself if there never was a genocide then?
<2> Who was captured? The only evidence of anyone ordered to destroy anything at Auschwitz comes from a person tortured by the Russians.
<2> Which is also the only evidence ...of any kind... for genocide.
<4> LMAO
<1> and he was caputured by the british
<2> He may well have been, I don't know the specifics of his detainment.
<1> hm
<1> but your whole arguement was
<1> he was caputred by russians
<1> and they made him talk the bs
<2> Nein..I didn't say he was captured by the russians.
<1> [3:37am] <ef~Phosphero> What evidence? A confession from a person the Russians sodomized with a lampshade?
<1> [3:37am] <ef~Phosphero> By the russians own admission..
<1> what does that mean?
<1> in plain words that means russians got ahold of him
<2> I said the only evidence of anyone ordering anything destroyed in testimony presented at nuremburg (that I have seen anyway) was by the Russians from a person they had tortured, admittedly by ramming a lampshade up his rectum.
<1> and made him say what he did
<2> I did not say who gave the testimony.
<1> haha wow
<2> Do not try to put words in my mouth.
<1> i thought we were talking about himmler getting captured
<1> i was talking about himmler ordering the desctruction of documentations and parts of the "labor camp"
<1> to be destoryed
<1> and you are talking about a certain indvidual that was going to testify at the trials ?
<2> My understanding was Himmler had visited Auschwitz once, but Rudolf Hoss was in charge of the camp. (Which is actually two camps).
<1> Hoss was in charge of the camp
<1> but Himmler gave Hoss the orders
<1> HImmlers a-okay was the only approval needed by Hoss
<1> and what about the confession of the extermination of jews by himmler himself?
<1> http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/speech-text.shtml
<5> six million jews, seven million others, total thirteen million; peanuts compared to Stalin or Mao, but is someone here in denial
<1> I am talking about the "Jewish evacuation": the extermination of the Jewish people.
<1> It is one of those things that is easily said. "The Jewish people is being exterminated," every Party member will tell you, "perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, ha!, a small matter."
<1> quoted in english transllation
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