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Comments:
<0> No, 'we' don't
<1> My problem is that its usurpation of the rights of the super majority.
<0> 'some' may, for now, but that won't last
<2> My point is the Federal government needs to stay out of what dgoes on in the home in this aspect
<1> It shouldnt be a right given by judicial fiat or declaring every decision the people make unconstitutional.
<2> Thetailor, so you want to start admending the consitution to take away rights?
<3> I don't give a rats *** what's called marriage, that's a (relatively boring) fight with the church imo, but there is NO logical argument against gay civil unions. Everyone should have equal rights.
<0> Kamakize, the states will do it, there won't be an amendment over it.
<1> Judges need to learn that the definition of a judge is in fact conservative.
<3> either the state has no place in marriage (ie, civil unions don't exist), or anyone can get them
<3> only logical options
<1> Judges must be conservative in their applicaiton of the law. and activist judge is not a judge.
<0> Kamakize, and again, I didn't way that
<1> hes an activist with power.
<2> Thetailor, Bull..
<1> If the people want marraige fine. Super majority rules on such issues.
<4> MUSLIMS **** MY ****
<0> Kamakize, I never said I wanted anyone to take away anyone's rights, you said that.
<3> do they do a good job?
<4> no they ****
<2> TheTailor. so are you for or against the admendment?
<5> flintston, you are devoiced (Requested by TheTailor )
<1> Constitution can be amended to say there shall not be homo***ual marraige recognized in the USA and still some Judge would rule the constitutional amendment conflicted with another constitutional principle.
<2> doesnt say that..
<0> Kamakize, I don't believe there will be one, the states will vote against it,a nd the court will rule against it.
<2> SECTION 2. Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman.'.
<6> what's the def of woman?
<7> with everything going on in the world gay marriage should be the LEAST of our problems
<0> Marriage will be defined by the court is my bet.
<6> born a woman-or made a woman
<8> guitar (graphical front end for a tape backup)
<9> Carious : how do you feel about *** Changes ?
<1> Well I would right the law (If I wanted to which I am not sure about), We hereby declate that the United States its territories, principalities and any land or persons held by the USA shall not recognize gay marraige but may recognize gay partnerships short of marraige, and that the peopel will have the right to vote into law what rights these are and the courts shall not interfer unless its a clear established violation of the c
<6> I don't want one
<0> Do so
<3> govt has no place in marriage;/
<8> "I hear you have 5 kids....one of each"
<0> Tell the truth
<6> do not!!!
<10> I don't really care much one way or the other about gay marriage
<11> federal govt has no place in marraige
<6> well-ok-I kinda want one
<10> kinda ses both sides
<2> I dont see why people are so freaked out on what the people next door are gay and amrried.
<10> see
<1> This amednment takes precedence over any and all amendments or constitutional law and shall not be overturned by claim of conflict. This law is absolute and final except where exceptions were allowed.
<0> I knew it
<3> I don't care at all what people choose to call marriage. However, civil unions need to be granted to anybody who wants them
<2> they act like if their kids see a gay couple they will turn gay.
<12> as a gay man, i find it disgusting that other people care so much what i do with my free time
<11> besides the fact that they have many much bigger issues to take care of before they **** around with something so low priority
<3> anything less is just as pathetic and primative as not allowing blacks to drink from your water founatin. It's blatant & blind discrimination
<3> hard to believe it happens in this country
<8> Free to much of that weasel talk. If they wanna pas a law; p*** a LAW
<0> crummy, I find it disgusting that I even have a clue about what you do.
<6> crummy-do whatever you want-as long as it's not affecting me
<1> Nope
<1> thats the only way you could protect the law.
<11> wtf does the federal govt have to do with marriage anyway
<8> ask Timujin about his way of dealing with the 1000 year old legal code of Byzantium
<2> Yes.. we have a war going on in this country, we have the illegal immigrants, we have proverty, we have people going hungry, we have homeless and we have people that have no medical care insurance and they care about two peopel of the same *** marring
<1> If you dont state that where conflict exists this law takes first place, you will have it ruled unconstitutional by conflict with some other constitutional *claim*
<1> The important thing is people should make the decisions not a single judge.
<11> Fr33Trade are you a conservative?
<8> a sword worked for Solomon......
<6> stop that NO MEDICAL CARE CRAP!!
<1> we are not a country of dictatorship by the judiciary
<7> i love the people who claim that its none of our business if they are gay, but then turn around and declare to everyone they are gay thereby making it to everyone who hears or see their declarations their business
<1> Thats needs to stop
<6> that is total bull****
<13> crummy, I couldnt care less what you do in your free time..so long as I dont have to pay for it or approve of it...
<8> Freetrade is so conservative that Rush Limbaug calls him daily for poitners
<7> hahaha pil
<14> Carious : can you defend a person getting one ?
<2> I think some of the very right wing reublicans think if their kids see a gay couple over night, the gay couple will come into the bedroom of the kids perform a magic spell and then walla the kids will be gay by morning.
<6> getting ONE what?
<11> judiciaries are a balance of power. there is not way you can say with a straight face that the judicial branch is over powered
<15> the problem with a liberal society where you legislate everything possible to insure nobody anywhere is offended at anytime is you just give up all identity as a nation and culture
<12> dedannan: yah, i would only expect the same from everyone else
<15> you become a giant process instead of a country
<7> <+Carious> stop that NO MEDICAL CARE CRAP!! <--- no one is denying anyone medical care, get over it
<1> And thats the problem this gay marraige issue ads a whole knew element of law and cost to society (Financial cost). Divorce courts, Family disputes, spousal abuse, domestic courts, adoption discrimination lawsuits.
<1> Its a pandoras box.
<0> Kamakize, yeah, you are as nuts as they are with thinking like that.
<3> Kamakize: 1. this country is not at war. 2. All of those reasons are not an excuse to allow blatant discrimination in this country. Our govt is capible of dealing with more than one issue simulatiniously, dispite what the media might lead you to believe
<11> actually they are, but looking the other way while medical costs grow exponentially
<6> that's what I meant Rusty-anyone can get care
<12> kamik: they're afraid they'll "get the gay"
<12> like it rubs off or something
<1> but I ceed certain rights to homo***uals which they should be entitled to.
<2> Thetailor.. It was a sort of a joke.
<7> ohh sorry i miss read=)
<13> and as far as 'debasing marriage'...gay people couldnt possibly debase marriage any more than straight people already have...
<3> lol
<2> But tell me what are they so afraid of two people of the same *** being married?
<1> Ded, You have a point there.
<12> right, the divorce rate is sky high
<0> Kamakize, oh, well it wasn't funny, how would I know?
<12> if that doesn't debase marriage, i don't know what does
<2> one main point i hear it goes againt what thier religion says
<13> and more's the pity....
<2> do you find anyhting funny?
<11> if they are going to limit gays from marrying, that should go hand in hand with limiting unqualified straight couples from marrying
<1> Liek General Sherman once said.. When asked about the Mormons and their odd practice of polygamy and he replied, I dont know it seems other christians practice serial monogamy and I dont see much difference.
<2> yes you should have to p*** a test for marriage.
<7> a persons religion is not left at the door merely because they are a politician
<2> so you cna reduce the divorce rate
<3> Kamakize: when they say that, you hold them down and tat the words "FIRST AMENDMENT" or "SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE" across their chest
<13> dont like your car? buy a new one...house too small? get another one...tired of your spouse? get rid of him/her....
<3> really if people use that argument
<3> imo get out
<3> go to canada, somewhere else
<3> you don't belong here
<1> Though as we learn more about the mormon polygamy thing we see more of a very cult like and abusive relationships toward children..
<11> Fr33Trade you mean FLDS, not mormon
<2> Freetrade so the gay couples are doing "cult" like things to kids ?
<3> you can't use any religious belief or definition as justification for law in this country. It's unconstitutional.
<11> mormons don't practice polygamy, a small sect that broke off of mormonism does
<11> and the mormon church does not condone polygamy
<13> Mormons dont practice polygamy...anymore...
<1> Kamakazi, is did not say that or did I Imply that.
<2> okay
<11> DeDannan and we dont burn witches anymore, things change
<13> they did up and until the leadership wanted Utah to become a state....
<0> Kamakize, you need to stop putting words in the mouths of others.
<12> either way i still don't really care... if twenty women want to submit to the same man, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, why should we care?
<3> i don't know why people hate polygamists so much, or why it's even illegal
<8> we have traded the dictatorship of the Tyrant for the tyrany of the file clerk
<11> crummy because the men marry 13 year old girls , part of their culture
<0> crummy, and even more, why should we even hear of it?
<1> Ded, There are several cases ongoing right now about mormon polygamy, its an outlawed practice in the church but they still do it in very protected mormon areas. And mormons are not policing their own.. So teh feds have to fight a veil of silence to go after these cases.
<8> Mankind oh?
<16> At a 2003 meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, two thirds of the 350 divorce lawyers who attended said the Internet played a significant role in the divorces in the past year, with excessive interest in online porn contributing to more than half such cases. Pornography had an almost non-existent role in divorce just seven or eight years ago. http://www.divorcewizards.com/divorcestats_porn.html
<17> Maybe we could iq scores or sat scores or education level or some kind of current affair quotient on people's clothes so that we don't have to deal with people too much smarter than ourselves?
<12> marrying underage != plygamy
<12> polygamy rather
<11> crummy but it is part of the polygamy culture
<15> suna eh I wouldn't mind it at all if only adults were involved, not this 50yr old men marrying 13 year old girls bull****.
<6> Porn is Good
<13> FT, yep...a place in Arizona if memory serves..is a hotbed of polygamous behavior...no pun intended :)
<3> it's practiced all over the world....however, in the cultures where polgyamy is practiced it actually makes sense. It exists for economic/political/various social reasons, and the concept of marriage is not comparable to the romantic version of marrige that exists in our culture.
<11> colorado city
<8> I married 2 girls.... just not at the same time :)
<12> culture or not, i draw the line when you bring kids into the equation
<1> haha
<15> monogamy isn't my bag baby
<3> why?
<1> hotbed! haha
<13> ok ok...pun intended :)
<8> In my youth I had enough women to satisfy a reasonable size town of polygamists. Now I have a bit more peace and presense of mind. I also haev more money for play toys!
<1> If polygamy did not involve child ***, or child marraige, and if it did not involve welfare being paid to women who are married to a polygamist I wouldnt give a damn.
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