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<0> bye
<1> nope
<2> Most of the debt under Reagan was debt which was on auto pilot.
<3> FedUp, NO democrat, not ONE, says to cut spending, which is the other half of the equation.
<1> high taxes did
<4> I think if anything can be said, it's that the right keeps their reps on a much tighter leash
<2> in fact he did slow the rate of growth of debt
<5> Fr33Trade: um, 188% on autopilot?
<4> but that could also be a direct result of their incumbency
<1> a free market self regulates when it comes to growth
<2> the debt came from promised by FDR, LBJ, and JPC
<3> Timur, bush has 30% approval rating. He is losing his base.
<5> Twobar: democrats ARE saying to cut spending
<2> Jimmy Peanut Head Carter
<3> Lithium, where is that ?
<1> raising taxes removes capital that businesses could use to grow the economy
<6> Twobar and it took 8 years of Clinton and other dems to get our deficit where it should have been
<7> Twobar True, partly because they don't control spending.
<1> fedup: pwned
<5> Twobar: get rid of pork barrel driven by lobbyists
<8> Two: Bush isn't the only Republican
<2> This was debt which was built into the system which noone could remove.
<1> yeah democrats wouldnt be saying **** if they controlled spending
<6> and bush sure as hell isnt building smaller government or cutting the deficit
<7> Ryan89 Beg pardon?
<3> ManKind, Clinton did a tiny bit for the deficit in ONE year by raising taxes, the largest tax hike in history. That is no solution, only the cutting of spending is
<1> lithium: get rid of the democrats for good and we're fine
<1> fedup: your argument ripped
<4> anyway, did anyone see the /. article about Levono PCs being banned from certain gov't agencies?
<3> Lithium, that I agree with, except the pork stuff is just as much democrats doing it, if not even more
<5> Ryan89: yea, we're doing so great under republicans....is that why most people want them out of power?
<2> You couldnt take away SS which was blowing up in expenses, nor could you do anthing about welfare, which noone was willing to change all I know is this country under Bush is the wealthiest its every been.
<9> haha Twobar, for the past 3 - 4 weeks in the media thats all i have heard "Bush's approval rating is at a NEW all time low of 33%" each week they come out saying that its at a NEW all time low of 33%
<3> tweek, good. Lenovo is also being sold to some of them too
<4> kinda stupid IMO since the hardware anyway is likely to come from China
<9> its almost hilarious
<8> well, guess it comes down to what is to be cut, and how.
<3> Lenovo is IBM's computers now, the desktop and laptop
<5> Twobar: well, you said dems arent for cutting spending, i just gave you an example that they are
<4> and an OEM rarely does more than set it up, throw some image on and ship it out
<6> Twobar it goes both ways
<1> lithium: watch. democrats will blow it again
<6> to be responsible
<9> want to know what you need to cut?
<9> its easy
<3> Lithium, I think its just words. I dont belive them, they dont ever actually do it or even try much
<9> VERY easy
<6> and the current administration is doing both ways wrong. spend more, tax less
<1> democrats just have to open their mouths and people find out how Godless they are
<3> ManKind, sometimes yes
<8> Rusty: 'pork' ? :)
<9> you start with the senate and house
<9> their PAYCHECKS
<7> Twobar More than a tiny bit to cut the deficit by 60% when it had been climbing for 12 years under Reagan and Bush. He couldn't have done any more. He was losing his own Democratic senators because of the budget's spending cuts (shame on those senators) and needed Gore to cast the tie-breaking vote as it was.
<2> So Though I prefer we cut spending there are no problems, this economy in america under Bush is the strongest in US history and the biggest in US history. I guess the debt isnt stopping it nor are the redskins or brownskins who do our labor.
<5> Twobar: well, republicans certainly arent doing anything productive, mise well give dems a try
<1> lithium: what do you think of the economy right now?
<4> also, that image is probably going to be replaced by the department's standard-issue image
<3> Lithium, I have only seen a democrat demand pork cuts when it makes a republican look bad or themselves good. They never really do it.
<2> Fact is the latter are contributing to the wealth of the nation
<8> yeah, underpaying politicians always yields good results. And their expenses are pretty marginal.
<9> i have yet to see these ****ers p*** a pay raise for themselves that wasn't in Secret since i have been alive
<4> seems to be the way most IT departments work these days
<1> seems those tax cuts sure as hell pumped up growth didnt it?
<1> i also dont hear liberals crying about job growth
<9> everytime there is a pay raise, its in secret
<1> bush created more jobs than the 70s, 80s, and 90s combined
<3> FedUP, I'll take your word for that, I dont know the details, I forget them
<5> Ryan89: that growth will be stymied later by the dedicits the tax cuts produced
<2> economically and culturally. They remind me of old american youth who used to work there butts off and not whine.
<9> and this includes your LOCALS
<10> FreeTrade how is the new job going?
<7> Twobar So I guess Reagan was practicing "leftism" too since government spending grew so much under his watch. It's a non-conventional use of the word, to be sure.
<5> Ryan89: also, godless? **** you
<4> Twobar: Bush's opposal to the farm aid package has to be like the first time any 'pub spoke out against one
<1> lithium: thanks for proving my point
<4> but the concept is getting old and quickly
<6> Ryan89 job growth does nothing if out deficit is so out of control that it could crash our economy if it isnt reigned in
<5> Ryan89: you have no points
<3> Timur, the swine just voted themselves another tax rate recently. I think they take in about 200 grand per year. And have benefits for life and full medical for life
<1> mankind: it wont crash anything
<2> comet, Which one ? I am inundated ;) Going great, I am in my feast mode until the next famine ;)
<1> thats hysteria thinking
<6> Ryan89 sure
<3> tweek, I dont think that Bush is opposed to farm aid at all. I think he's a huge propoeent of it
<3> proponenet
<3> crap
<5> Ryan89: no, its your head in the sand thinking
<1> lithium: seems you're the one resorting to ad hominem. not me
<10> hahahah
<6> Twobar of course he is, that is why we dont have free trade with africa
<11> two -- pro pon ent
<1> so maybe my points are just ones you cant debate one
<1> on8
<5> Ryan89: did i call you a name?
<11> two - remember sound it out :)
<3> oh man. Timur, let me try this again...
<1> you personally attacked me
<3> <3> Timur, the swine just voted themselves another tax rate recently. I think they take in about 200 grand per year. And have benefits for life and full medical for life
<1> look up ad hom in the dictionary
<3> timur, I mean they voted themselves a pay raise
<8> Two: right, and?
<2> Thats the nature of my beast, (Work) feast or famine.. Actually other than last year I really have always kept real busy.. Anyway I hope it doesnt ever get that bad again..
<11> Two -- yup
<12> Lithium- ad-hom doesn't mean name calling, its attacking the messanger in all its forms
<9> Here I come to save the day!!!
<1> bud: yep
<1> i thought liberals were supposed to be smart
<3> Timur, for doing what ? Third and fourth rate leaders, all following each other...and leading this country down the WRONG path
<2> Bush is the best president in US history. Future Generations will see it.
<10> my husband got a letter about the Indy500 tonight .. they offered him some reserved seats .. really cheap. Damn he was tempted. We are leaving on the 7th of June .. and he looks at me and says "how would you feel about moving everything up a week?"
<1> fr33trade: thats going too far
<9> hhahhaha FT finally agrees with me!
<13> His image is going to play a part in that rating.
<11> Fr33Trade but so many are not willing to wait... but i would say he is in the tops of rating
<10> lol .. I gave him a very dirty look.
<1> i thought nixon was better
<5> <1> democrats just have to open their mouths and people find out how Godless they are
<1> and reagan
<13> You can't be this bady viewed and have people with low opinion of you and be the best.
<5> that deserved a '**** you'
<8> Two: all? some. In any case, underpaying them would yield other bad results, like more corruption.
<2> No I mean it 100% and for me to say that is something else because I never had a president I ever agreed with as much as Bush.
<1> lithium: yeah cause the truth hurts
<9> I can't wait til we have George W. Bush Airport
<1> your party courts atheists. enough said
<13> Well no need for history you have it decided.
<2> hes the most capitalist we have had even more so than Reagan.
<5> Ryan89: yea, so?
<13> For yourself at least.
<14> Fr33Trade I dont know about that. but to quote Christopher Hitchens, History will be much kinder to Bush than to Herr Schroeder or Chirac
<3> Timur, I suggest we flush them all and start picking people out of the phone book. THAT is how bad of a job I think they do.
<5> Ryan89: whats wrong with atheism?
<9> I think we should add his face to Mount Rushmore
<9> in fact!
<1> um atheists are Godless
<2> And hes doing the right thing in the middle east thankless job that it is.
<11> sintient -- oh ya - go look at past presidents - 2nd terms -- you will find others with low low poll ratings... so what?
<9> we should rename it to Mount Bushmore!
<9> hehhe
<5> Ryan89: why is that a bad thing?
<13> So are they going to be rated the best ever?
<13> So that.
<1> lithium: because being Godless is evil
<5> Ryan89: says who? your pastor?
<15> polls are meaningless in a second term
<1> says me
<8> Two: yeah, that sounds really practical and realistic..
<15> that's what term limits require
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