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<0> like those courtyard towns in Europe
<1> :P
<2> and you'll actually have to pay for things like *shock* worker's compensation
<0> but with Wallmart at the center
<3> End of statement.
<4> well I sure am not seeing less cars on the rd
<5> dammit: yes/no. for a period of five years afterwards, they should be exempt from minimum-wage laws.. also, they should not be able to apply for any social services
<3> This usually ends up in a heated argument ;)
<0> Anyone see that new movie with George Clooney ?
<0> Syrianna ?
<0> something like that - interesting
<4> yeah. I strongly dis-agree with rewarding illegals
<0> taht with Lord of Raw - damn
<0> I mean Lord of War
<0> two eye openers
<4> I saw it
<4> why an eye opener
<3> Ninimum wage ? Haha, I dont anyone who works even close to it other than waitress's who make thier money in tips.. In a good joint they can make $40, $50 an hour.
<0> it was an interesting take on oil field rights
<2> lupine: then for 5 years things will continue... then the mexicans will all be fired off and a new loophole will be established and we'll have created this subcl*** of poor, potentially violent and gang-prone people
<4> it was PC
<5> FT: I will only support any "amnesty" if we also setup, via a constitutional amendment, a 1mile wide "free kill zone", that any american citizen can man, and defend the homeland, wihtout restriction
<1> DrDetr0it I saw Lord of War but... *shrug* I didn't see what point they were trying to get at
<5> without a constitutional amendment, it'll just be reagans amnesty all over again.. we'll be in the same ****hole in another 10 years
<3> Ive tried to talk my daughter into considering waitressing as a job potential before and while going to college
<2> companies don't hire mexicans just because theyre cheap labor.... but also because you don't have to pay taxes on them and you don't have to report them on your payroll, thus lowering worker's compensation insurance premiums
<3> I dont really have a problem with minimum wage other than to say its purely political and has no value.
<3> market minimum wage is well above government minimum wage.
<1> FreeTrade waitresses don't actually make minimum wage; they make about 1/2 min wage plus tips
<2> and the insurance companies get in on it because they don't have to pay claims on illegals and just deny coverage
<3> When illegals can easily get $10 an hour, for christs sake why do they need to raise minimum wages ?
<1> Though, if their tips don't account to min wage, the employeer has to match the missing amount
<4> cause they want teenagers to make 10 an hr
<3> Kobushi Only in a ****ty restaraunt might the owner not get that.
<6> Yeah, waitresses get paid more through tips than wage.
<3> And if so dont work there.
<5> FT: well, once you take into account taxes/worksmans comp/etc.. that $10 is comparable to a "legit" $3-4/hour wage
<3> Work in the best places.
<4> min wage jobs are for teens..
<1> FreeTrade not ****ty restraunts, most major restraunts
<1> Oh you mean might they not get min wage equiv.
<1> nm missunderstood
<3> Lupine, People pay over $10 and taxes and all that ****.
<5> heh, in the best resturants.. the workers PAY the resturant to be waiters :-)
<2> yah, $10 under the table is like $15 or 16/hour if done legally
<3> If you can hire someone with no more than $20 out of pocket for labor per hour, you are doing damn well.
<1> that's true; w/o FICA or all the toher crap, $10/hr is worth a lot more
<3> Well the way it works in California which I realize isnt CheeKago.
<5> ft: well, you are using your local rate.. its a hella cheaper in many areas
<3> Illegal get fake id and social security numbers, employers pay into those funds.
<3> They get caught.
<1> I used to work for $10/hr w/o taxes being taken out, it was a major raise from the $7/hr I made prior to that
<3> They fire them al, and they get new social security numbers and they hire them back.
<5> i know that in south florida, migrant workers off the table often get paid $4-5/hour
<2> honestly, the Fair Tax would curtail a lot of the existing forms of tax evasion
<2> but i'm sure some industry/cl*** of people would find a way to evade on the income tax
<1> dammit it would also hurt small and medium sized businesses
<3> South Florida must be poor or racist one of the two.
<2> bushi: yea, i know
<3> Because in California its $10
<5> FT: more of a glut really
<2> well, not so much - simply because they would have an insane reduction in payroll taxes
<3> California has a glut
<1> dammit owner/operators don't have payroll taxes
<3> But the excess labor sends a lot back.
<5> the amount of agriculture continues to dwindle, as land is used for housing
<3> You know it follows the laws of economics here
<3> Illegals come, too many come, they cant get jobs they go back.
<5> so the need for migrant labor is decreasing
<3> People dotn want to pay $5 an hour because they get what they pay for.
<3> People wont bust *** for 5
<3> They wont
<5> well.. flow out of florida is much slower/harder
<3> In Tijuana now you can almost get $5 an hour in mexico
<3> Its really come along
<5> FT: yea.. ****ee ****ee $5 dollah
<3> Wages in Mexico along the border have risen substantially
<1> dammit but, currently, tax deducations allow businesses to spend thier money on equipment/etc they'll need; and thus kep thier money "tax free" in the form of usable goods; a fair tax would stop that, thus reducing the total benefit such small outfits recieved from thier business
<3> On the Mexican side.
<1> dammit it would also make it VERY difficault for new and growing businesses
<3> and its continued economic growth and development in Mexico which will eventually qualize the labor demands
<3> Equalize
<5> another thing that limits it, is the citrus industry in the middle of the state.. use alot of the local native-americans for labor
<3> but its like waiting for Israel and Palestinians to come to peace.
<3> It could be 50 years
<1> dammit it's not uncommon for a growing business to have expenses that nearly match, or sometims exceed the money that they made in... but under a fair tax they'd have t pay taxes on the total that came in reguardless
<5> kob: say goodbye to corporate welfare
<3> In Oregon When I was a kid, i am talking 1966 when I worked int he cherry orchard, Some guys made up to $200.00 a day
<3> do you know what that is like today ?
<3> Thats like $1000.00 a day
<1> Lupine say goodbye to new and small businesses
<3> They were very fast pickers
<1> Lupine tax deducations aren't corporate welfare
<3> the problem is they cant get a job every day of the year or they would be rich
<3> They can make 30k in a month, and then they have to move on and they start spending money till they get to the next crop harvest.
<5> yea.. FT paid $200 to have HIS cherry picked... lol
<7> getting a job requires intelligence and willpower.
<7> you don't see chimpanzees getting any jobs
<1> slopearea it doesn't require intelligence to get a job at McD's :P
<3> Well then Mexicans are hella intelligent and willful.
<3> Because they get jobs.
<1> well, at least not much intelligence
<7> mexicans are very hard working.
<0> I simply get too much from this channel to make it worth my while
<3> I remember giving 3 or 4 mexicans a ride home everyday on this project I supervised (I did not hire), They were illegal and we went through a black part of town and they would say how come those black people never work.. I had no reply and obviously that doesnt mean all black people, its the minority in the urban area who are uneducated and on welfare.
<7> It is *extremely* sad, that these very hard working people can't find work in their own country. it's sad too, because they're our neighbor.
<0> I bet a site called cherrypickers.com could make money
<3> But the ****ing mexicans cant do 5th grade math and they get good paying jobs.
<0> hell
<1> DrDetr0it mexican immigrant porn?
<0> look at the white house
<3> To me thats a credit to their culture.
<7> DrDetr0it, yeah, but a site name means nothing.. it needs to be fleshed out
<0> KoBushi - wow
<0> what a plan
<0> that's promising
<3> Anyway, I wont go on that track anymore.
<2> mexicans can't do 3rd grade math
<2> the low-end ones anyway
<7> dammit, 3rd grade math is multiplaction tables
<0> www.mexicanwives.com ?
<7> I think they can do that
<0> sister site to cherrypickers ?
<2> slop: i know for a fact that many of them can't
<7> 3rd grade math is memorization
<0> you could try out the ole future ball an chain first
<0> via video
<2> I also know for a fact that many of them can't read or write IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE
<0> then - hmm
<7> anyway
<2> wanna know how I know all of this? because I work around them every day
<0> I bet www.authenticmexican****.com could sell - just go bout down in hexico asking to take molds 'o people
<3> Oh UK had 1.8% est 2005 gdp, It 2004 they did good..
<1> wouldn't be surprising dammit; if Mexico had a decent education system there wouldn't be so many imigrants here
<7> maybe they just act nice and obsequious to please you because they know their status
<0> www.celebrity****s.com ?
<3> i think 2004 wqs like 5% or close to it
<0> just imagine, you too can go to sleep with demi moore everynight - modeled from the stars themselves !
<2> bushi: if the divide between rich and poor wasn't so polarized, then they'd have the money to build the schools to better educate their people
<0> meducation hmmm...
<3> Sweden did 2.4% 2005, still they all did positive growth
<3> which is more than Germany or japan. I think though Japan had been coming back some
<2> in Mexico... if you're just one man, and you start up a business... one of the rich businessmen can basically come in and say "your business is now our business and we're firing you" and that's that
<0> Japan is messed
<1> dammit I've really not looked ver closely at Mexico's problems, I'm still busy anylizing the US's :P
<2> if you don't like it, you'll wind up dead
<0> I say, look at a countries pr0n first
<0> then evaluate
<2> bushi: in relative terms, the US is still the best country on the planet
<0> KoBushi - heh
<3> Japan 2.1%
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