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<0> I support the morning after pill
<1> Astro, The pill works as a preventer of fertilization and as a abortificant
<2> Letting the population spiral out of control, or have an uncontrollable number of births to families that should not have children and can't afford to raise them simply because an antiquated religion dictates it isn't the best idea in my eyes
<0> I belive that's less morally risky than waiting 3 months
<1> You will never know how it worked in each case.
<3> Free: No, it doesn't. They've actually done studies on this. :\
<1> Because you will not see a one celled or 2 celled organism
<4> I think any pharmacist who refuses to dispense the morning after pill prescribed by a doctor should lose his license
<3> It prevents ovulation.
<1> when it is expelled
<0> I agree
<1> OcDoc, would you explain to Astro how the pill can work either way
<0> no pharmacist should be allowed to work if he/she will not dispense all legal medication
<5> The Catholic Church allows a pill for rape victims that prevents ovulation -- how they know if it prevents ovulation I don't know
<1> Well I agree US Male and OcDoc in general but there is a religious constitutional protection which competes with the duty to prescribe.
<3> Free: They used to think it could work either way... they've now determined that it does not.
<0> well - -all legal meds that he has in stock, and take reasonable means otherwise
<1> I dont know how to clear that conflict up
<6> anyway. most people against abortion arn't thinking about the child, they're being selfish and thinking about their beliefs. Their religion. What they would or wouldn't do. If somebody's behavior is offensive to them. Their attitude is unamerican and anti-democracy, they woudl choose to have abortion be completely illegal whether or not that was the will of the majority of the people
<4> Free: it's a license from the state
<1> Astro when did you suddenly become an expert in recent oby-gyn?
<0> I think it is dosage....
<3> Free: In that little bit of it? The moment I was at college, and it became a... more pressing issue.
<3> :P
<1> OcDoc and there are 100s of lawsuits a year over conflicts with the state and religion.
<1> heh
<6> I don't really like the death penalthy, I wouldn't mind living in a state where it wasn't legal. However, in my state the people have stated that they want the death penalty. Therefore, the death penalty should be legal in this state
<1> Well I still think it can work as an abortificant.
<4> Free: stop licensing professionals by the state ;-)
<0> last I head it did
<0> err
<0> last I heard it did
<6> brb
<1> Show me absolute proof the pill cant from a prestigious study and I will change my mind.
<0> if I am not mistaken, RU486 is just a higher dose of the same compound
<3> Free: It came out of the FDA studies on making it OTC.
<4> Free: sorry I didn't follow your disagreement so I don't know what you want me to explain
<3> RU486 has a completely differnt method of action.
<1> OcDoc, There have been jugments against the state such as you can not deny a jewish guy the right to wear his skull cap inside or a indian his headwrap if it has religious meaning.
<3> OcDoc: The method of action of the morning after pill.
<1> It depends a lot on whether you are a large company or a small company
<7> Astrodog oh
<1> small companies can discriminate for a lot more reasons than large companies
<7> Astrodog that make sense
<4> Astrodog: it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg into the lining of the uterus
<1> According to supreme court cases and legsilation.
<7> Astrodog but killing life is wrong
<3> Doc: Uh? You're aware in the FDA studies, that they determined it simply prevented ovulation, right? ;)
<4> Astrodog: that would not work ... it's already too late
<3> That's why it becomes incredibly ineffective as time goes on. If it effected implantation, it would work for longer.
<4> Astrodog: that's not correct afaik
<7> oh it not
<7> I new it
<1> OcDoc, what I said was that in some cases the pill... The birth control pill as it is commonly called can work to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting itself in the uterus, is this true or not ?
<4> Astrodog: fertilization occurs no more than 48 hours before implantation
<3> Doc: I'll see if I can find the deal from the FDA studies on it.
<1> Sometimes it just prevents fertilization period.
<1> Is this not true ?
<4> Free: I don't know that part of it
<1> Well I believe a neonatologist explained it to me once, but I will re check the facts.
<3> Free: Let me see if I can find the studies they did for the FDA.
<4> I do know that the morning after pill works only by preventing implantation
<3> Doc: That wouldn't explain the slow increase of failure rate, as time goes on.
<4> birth control pills are only effective if taken daily for at least one full cycle
<1> Here is a social commentary but Im looking for the science and yes its a word
<1> Congress to consider Birth Control Bill Proposal Would ensure pharmacies fill ... Actually there are some Christians who feel the pill is an abortificant. ...
<4> they prevent ovulation or they don't work at all
<4> abortifactants expel an implanted embryo
<7> what would it explain
<4> if the egg didn't implant, it's not an abortifactant
<3> Doc: Its has some effectiveness out to 5 days, and 70% in the first 3. That would suggest that implantation either has the potential to take longer than 48 hours, or that it has another method of action.
<0> ok this from an FDA website (it;'s not RU486 though):
<0> "FDA Approval Date: 1998-1999 Description: Pills containing either progestin alone or progestin plus estrogen Failure Rate (number of pregnancies expected per 100 women per year): Almost 80 percent reduction in risk of pregnancy for a single act of unprotected *** Some Risks: Nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue, headache Protection from ***ually Transmitted Diseases (STDs): None Convenience: Must be taken within 72 hours
<1> This medication is taken by women who have had unprotected ***, to prevent pregnancy. Some sources stated that Wal-Mart did not give a reason for its refusal to sell the pills. One source stated that Wal-Mart had announced on 1999-APR-14 that the decision was not related to ethical concerns. They had simply concluded that the medication might not sell enough to make it economically worthwhile. 5 However, Wal-Mart continues to fil
<1> According to Planned Parenthood: "In a compromise reached a few months later, Wal-Mart instructed its pharmacists to fill prescriptions for birth control pills as ECPs or to refer customers to another store if they have an objection about dispensing a drug. Wal-Mart still refuses to sell Preven." (Morrow, 1999).
<0> paste wars =)
<4> whoa ... scroll
<8> Google censors America http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2053731645001034711
<8> how do you like dem apples
<0> anywya my point being that "progestin plus estrogen" is also used for birth control prior to intercourse
<3> Male: Yeah.
<0> but yes it's not RU486
<4> deku: I like some apples
<7> This video is not playable in your country.
<3> Its basically like chowing down on a bunch of normal birth control pills.
<3> :P
<0> yeah which apaprenlty works as "morning after"
<3> deku: Google may have licencing issues.
<7> Astrodog are you sure
<7> it big goverment
<9> hello
<8> Astrodog huh?
<7> telling us how to or what to watch
<7> Astrodog I think it big goverment
<9> what are you chatting about ?
<3> deku: Google has to follow the licence that comes with the video.
<8> Astrodog there is no licensing issue here
<0> but the paragraph I pasted was for "after intercourse"
<0> up to 72 hours
<3> deku: You have no idea what the issue is, since Google doesn't say.
<7> Astrodog and you do
<7> ???
<8> Astrodog thats BS its news
<3> goppp: My idea makes more sense, than some big censorship conspiracy, atleast.
<8> Its not copywritted material
<7> censorship from big goverment
<7> Astrodog big goverment has the power to censor
<1> The birth control pill also has an abortifacient potential. While the combined estrogen-progesterone Pill suppresses ovulation most of the time, it still allows breakthrough ovulation to occur. Peel and Potts estimate that breakthrough ovulation occurs in two to ten percent of cycles. A Dutch gynecologist found that with low dosage pills, in only 20 percent of subjects could no follicular activity be demonstrated, and in 30 pe
<8> Astrodog since when do videos on the internet only not work in one country besides China?
<8> Astrodog the link works all over the rest of the world BUT here
<7> Astrodog but it does make sense
<3> deku: If the licence doesn't allow it to be shown in the US... Google has to abide by that.
<9> what is astrodog mease ?
<9> *please
<1> Well I think that does it. Birth control pills still sometimes can act as an abortificant.
<7> but thier no linence issue
<7> Astrodog so you can only ***ume censorship
<7> or bad codig
<3> gop: Once again. We have no idea what the issue is.
<0> FT: FDA says it can
<3> It is more likely that its licencing, than censorship, however.
<0> anyway
<8> Astrodog nice try but it seems like you are forming a conclusion then working backwords to think of any reason it might be true
<3> deku: And you're just making **** up, with no basis whatsoever for it. :P
<4> Free: so if ovulation occurs despite the BCP, it may still prevent implantation after fertilization?
<9> quit
<8> Astrodog I'm drawing a logical conclusion, you are grasping at straws
<1> OcDoc right.
<4> sort of a "two phase" birth control pill ...
<1> And I have no problem with that morally
<4> patient
<8> Astrodog so you think whoever uploaded that video sent google a written letter that said they cannot show it to domains in the U.S.?
<1> But it is a subjective moral opinion
<3> Your logical conclusion, is that in a big conspiracy with the government, Google has decided to take the unprecidented act of censoring the video?
<0> summary of a bunch of birth-control types
<0> http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1997/babytabl.html
<3> babytabl?
<0> hehe
<3> Someone's webmaster is a republican...
<3> ;)
<1> Some people will not take the regular birth control pill because it can cause an abortion (Fertilized egg abortion)...
<0> lol
<8> Astrodog who said anything about a conspiracy? I said google was censoring us (which is true btw even if there are 'licensing issues')
<0> maybe they mean baby tabs =0
<1> If people want to live in guilty over that go ahead but the body often has spontaneous abortions too.
<1> Fasting can cause an abortion.
<1> A lot of possibilities
<1> But I refuse to live with guilt, what I have done wrong, I have made amends for and what I think are smaller issues I dont feel any guilt about. Life is not black and white.
<1> The world is not
<1> got to split anyway later.
<10> what's wrong with an abortion anyway, it's all a big to-do about nothing
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