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<0> and the ability of people to defend themselves
<1> in fact Bokavitch, a higher percentage of people in the USA live below the poverty line than China
<2> Herzen, a taser with a 30ft range is not enough
<1> 12% for america, 10% for China
<2> Herzen, the police with guns are not enough
<0> moky, being shot is a strong negative incentive to invading someones home
<3> people who are in "poverty" in america still have a far greater purchasing power than the chinese
<3> and i'm willing to bet any statistics out of china are unreliable
<2> Herzen, then why does the USA have more home invasions per capita than other nations?
<2> Herzen, guns just mean the criminals use guns too
<0> then other nations?
<0> I think you'd have a tough time proving that
<2> Herzen, yes
<1> hahahah, yeh ok Bokavitch, so basically you are saying that any facts someone presents to you, you won't believe anyway, so whats the sense in even having this discussion with you
<3> if you think the CP of china is going to produce reliable statistics about poverty in their country then you're pretty naive
<3> present me with the study
<0> moky, gun bans simply mean you take it out of the lawful using hands
<3> cite your source and i'll look into it
<0> moky, Criminals overwhelmingly do not register or aquire their guns legally
<0> Banning guns won't particularily affect them
<1> http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html
<0> esp when their firearms are already illegal
<3> i know from everything i've read, per capita income in the US far outweighs anything they have in china
<1> i can show you other sources as well if you would like but it won't make a difference as you wouldn't believe tem anyway
<2> Herzen, they are less likely to kill if they know the victims dont have guns
<1> Bokavitch, things are much more expensive in the USA than in China to begin with
<0> they are less likely to invade if they know the victims do have guns
<2> Herzen, if someone breaks into my place I call 9/11 and hide in the closest
<2> Herzen, 911
<2> Herzen, my stuff is insured and can be replaced
<3> give me a sec while i read the factbook
<2> Herzen, i wont get in a shoot out where an innocent person my get killed
<2> may
<3> ok read the definition of poverty on the CIA world fact book
<1> The ownership of durable goods has increased rapidly in the urban areas of China. A large proportion of urban households now have fans, refrigerators, washing machines and color televisions, fig 6. By 1996, eighty percent of the TV's were color models.
<3> "National estimates of the percentage of the population falling below the poverty line are based on surveys of sub-groups, with the results weighted by the number of people in each group. Definitions of poverty vary considerably among nations. For example, rich nations generally employ more generous standards of poverty than poor nations."
<1> Even urban households in the low-income levels have a large proportion of the above appliances. The surge in durable goods ownership has led to a rapid increase of electricity consumption, from 13 kWh per capita in 1983
<1> In 1996 there were 11.6 air conditioners per 100 urban households ( ). China is now the world's largest producer of air conditioners. Given the climate for many parts of China, the demand for improved interior comfort during the summer is understandable. The summer climate of Shanghai is similar to that of southeastern US. Hong Kong has a tropical climate.
<1> http://chinahousing.mit.edu/english/china/housing/
<3> Per capita purchasing power, China: $6,200 USA $41,800
<3> and the chinese purchasing power is even more skewed than the US because wealth concentration is worse in china than it is here
<0> China is also the worlds largest producer of easter gr***
<0> and plastic umbrellas
<3> lol
<3> and fireworks
<1> By the end of 2003 there were 262m fixed-line telephones and almost 80m Internet users. By the end of the August 2004 there were about 315m mobile subscribers, and with nearly 7m additions a month in this period this is one market where the otherwise fantastical promise of millions of consumers is actually coming good.
<3> where are you going with this Hemi?
<1> China is today the worlds largest market for both fixed-line and mobile telephony: a surprisingly large proportion of the population can now talk on the telephone, send text messages and even while away time in Internet chat rooms.
<1> i am completely blowing your bull**** out of the water with this
<3> no you're not
<3> 80m have internet
<1> you who sat here and tried to say we exploit chinese workers with our "economic empire"
<3> whopty ****ing do, there are 1.2 billion
<3> we do exploit them
<3> All that **** reflects the wealthiest portion of chinese society
<1> A similar picture is evident in the technology arena. China is now the second-largest market for personal computers (PCs) in the world, with sales totalling more than 13m in 2003. Looking further upstream, a US industry body, the Semiconductor Industry ***ociation, reports that China accounted for 11% of global chip demand in 2003.
<3> ok yeah they have big markets because they are the most populace nation on the planet
<1> China is not just a big market; it is also a fast-growing one: back in 1998 just 3% of global chip sales were made in China.
<1> GDP per head (US$ at PPP) 3,341 3,630 3,960b 4,329b 4,722 5,224
<1> Private consumption per head (US$) 357.5 377.8 408.8 434.5 456.5 488.8
<1> from 1998 - 2003
<1> seems that people are doing a hell of a lot better
<1> in just a 5 year period
<1> a telephone line in your house costs a whole 10$!
<3> people prospered under the pax romana too, they were still subjects o fan empire
<2> `426Hemi, tell us about human rights in China
<1> we aren't talking about human rights
<1> nice try at changing the subject
<3> Hemi the subject is whether we have imperial tendencies over lesser developed nations
<1> and you used China as an example
<1> and you have been blown the hell out of the water
<3> you've quoted statistics on china's economic growth, that don't have anything to do with the organizational structure of the world economy
<1> LOL!
<1> yes we are the evil in the world
<3> LOL! yourself dip****, you have not shown anything relevent to the structure of the world economy which is the topic
<1> we must fall on our swords t osatisfy stupid *** lefties and their own socialist tendencies
<1> Bokavitch YOU were the one who used the chinese as your example to show your bull****
<1> and when proven wrong you are now trying to say "Ohh well look at the world as a whole!"
<3> I'm not saying nations don't grow economically or that they can't prosper potentially under an imperialistic economic system
<3> no china is still the example numb nuts
<1> and you have yet to provide ANY evidence to support YOUR own claims
<3> LOOK AT THE PURCHASING POWER OF CHINA
<1> <+Bokavitch> LOL! yourself dip****, you have not shown anything relevent to the structure of the world economy which is the topic <---- then explain this statement please?
<1> Bokavitch the purchasing power of people in China is low because the prices of GOODS are LOWER dumb ***
<3> An inordinate amount of our consumer goods come from china
<4> so?
<5> Bokavitch, no caps please
<3> my bad
<3> they are low because wages are low dumb***
<1> a 19 inch TV in China doesn't cost 300+ dollars!
<1> you pay between 30-45 dollars for a simple phone line in to your house, Chinese pay 10$ for theirs
<1> making more money means that the people you buy your goods from will just jack the price up on those certain items so they can make a larger profit, thats ALL that making more money does
<5> Bokavitch, see your messages
<1> i geuss people don't understand the cause and effect in economics
<5> Sooner or later, as with Japan and everywhere else, labor costs will rise in China, then we can cry about someone else taking over the economic world.
<3> I still don't think hemi has made a case that there is no such thing as economic imperialism
<3> I don't think the fact that conditions are improving in china means that the nature of our trade relationship is any less imperialistic
<1> heh
<3> Economic hegemony can be as powerful if not more powerful than military hegemony and is a major part of imperialism in general
<1> again, show us an example
<3> what kind of example exactly are you talking about?
<3> i still think the china example holds, i don't think you proved **** with your little rant about how new services are available in china
<6> does Bokavitch think china is a poor little 3rd world country at the mercy of the big mean usa?
<3> and you seem to think you've closed the book on it
<1> The Economy of the People's Republic of China is the second largest in the world when measured by purchasing power parity, with a GDP (PPP) of US $7.124 trillion in 2004. When measured in USD-exchange rate terms, it was the 6th largest in the world in 2004 with a GDP of US$1,929.21 billion, leapfrogging to the 4th largest in 2005 with approximately US$2.25 trillion [1].
<3> yeah as a nation
<3> they are the largest population wise
<6> Bokavitch, go smoke your imperialism, goodbye
<3> look at per capita purchasing power
<6> nothing more tired than tired old leftist rhetoric with no regard for reality
<6> convinced they can make reality conform to their skewed view
<3> omg, do you seriously not understand how to read statistics
<3> Because china has a large purchasing power as a nation does not mean that it's individual workers are paid fair value for their labor
<3> you have to look at per capita purchasing power
<1> The Economy of the People's Republic of China is the second largest in the world when measured by purchasing power parity, with a GDP (PPP) of US $7.124 trillion in 2004. <--- I'm looking
<3> PER CAPITA
<3> what do you not understand about per capita?
<1> i'm Looking
<3> they have 4x our population
<1> LOL!
<3> lol what hemi? you haven't proven ****
<1> According to the United Nations World Food Program, in 2003, China fed 20% of the world's population on 7% of the world's arable land. [6]
<1> thats an interesting little factoid
<1> welp enough of him
<0> on paper China has all the ammenities
<0> its pretty ****ty in the rural areas though
<3> You keep quoting things that don't make any case for your ***ertion that there's no such thing as "economic imperialism"
<0> though they're co ming along
<6> Bokavitch doesn't care about reality, he wants china to dance to his little tune
<0> and U.S. economic ties with them are doing nothing but helping growth there
<6> roll over and play dead so he can dance on it, shrieking "imperialism killed my baby!"
<3> gloriae i'd say the same of the two of you but rather than making comments like that why don't we stick to the actual debate?
<0> imperialism killed my baby
<1> Herzenm yes US Economic imperialism
<1> hahaha
<0> Bjork ate my baby
<0> Israel's cabinet has approved sanctions on the Palestinian Authority in response to the takeover of the Palestinian parliament by Hamas.
<0> Before Sunday's cabinet meeting, Israel's acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the new Hamas-led legislature a "terrorist authority" and said that all funds to it must be stopped.
<0> Good
<7> the US will not financially support Hamas right?
<3> Hmm we haven't finished imperialism and you guys are going to get me started on israel now...
<0> Bokavitch, We all know you're leftwing
<0> no need to go out of your way to prove it
<0> JuneNY, I don't think the US will
<1> Sony (NYSE:SNE - news)'s next-generation PlayStation 3 video game console might not appear in key markets this year and could cost the electronics giant $900 per unit to produce initially, according to Merrill Lynch analysts.
<0> nice
<1> Hitoshi Kuriyama of Merrill Lynch in Japan says there are reports that the PS3 could be delayed by between six and 12 months, meaning an autumn launch in Japan and a late 2006 or early 2007 launch in the US.
<8> 426 heya
<3> I want to know why everyone here supports taking aid away from palestine while we simultaneously support the Saudi Regime?
<7> good question Bokavitch
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