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<0> we'd lose our sense?
<1> but I think we are slowinog that down
<2> then we have to bail them out again
<2> that part of history WILL repeat itself, I believe
<3> OcDoc, History is already repeating itself my friend
<4> OcDoc well our interest rates would go through the roof. you can't borrow like our current government has been without causing inflation unless someone overseas is buying our currency
<2> Herzen: I don't doubt it
<3> OcDoc, Lets mark all the religious and ethnic minorities
<2> Oax: they have before
<4> OcDoc and those were bad times
<2> Herzen: what Iran does and what Germany did are two different things
<2> Oax: so what? it's not the disaster you're trying to make it out as being
<3> OcDoc, I agree, but both are sinister as hell
<0> herz, wasn't it you who frowned on clintons intervention in yugoslavia?
<2> Herzen: I agree with that
<3> Linus--, No, it was not me
<3> Infact my oldcountry helped =)
<2> Herzen: the difference is, Germany was a great military power
<0> ok then
<0> it must have been Hiszen
<3> OcDoc, if Iran gets its hands on nuclear weaponry, they might not be a 'great military power', but certainly they will have some destructive capabilities
<2> or Itzen
<4> OcDoc it would definitely mean recession of not depression. how do you think our economy would work in isolation? want to buy a TV made by american workers at $5000 for a 24" ?
<3> OcDoc, and Germany wasn't a great military power in 1933
<4> of course $5000 could also buy you a few candy bars
<2> Oax: I won't care one way or the other
<4> OcDoc do you live off the grid and grow your own food?
<2> Herzen: true
<2> Oax: I'm just not a chicken little like you seem to be
<2> Oax: the cat is already out of the bag ... the government
<2> HAS been spending like drunken sailors
<4> OcDoc i hope that works out well for you
<2> for a LONG time
<4> OcDoc and it has been kept afloat because of foreign investment
<3> OcDoc, next measure I predict will be a 'special part of the country' for Chrisitans and Jews to live in Iran
<2> and nothing we do now will undo that .. and frankly the american people WANT the government to spend that way, just disagree about what and whom to spend it on
<4> OcDoc what do you thhink our national debt would look like if it was all called in? or we defaulted on it?
<3> Okay, need to go grocery shopping
<2> Herzen: could be
<2> Oax: I hope it IS called in
<4> OcDoc cool you better start stockpiling
<2> we need some fiscal discipline and if it's not SELF discipline we will have to learn the lesson some other way
<5> OcDoc sure seems to think he knows what the american ppl want
<0> "can't we all just spread along?"
<2> compdoc: I know what they VOTE for
<4> or just play it cool and see how totally mellow it is when your neighbors cant eat
<2> Oax: that's just bull****
<5> you should speak for yourself - you have no clue
<2> compdoc: I guess we'll see soon enough
<6> haha did someone already post this
<6> VIENNA (Reuters) - Iranian claims last month of a major nuclear breakthrough were undermined on Thursday when several diplomats said the uranium Tehran had enriched was high-quality processed uranium it acquired from China.
<6> that'd be funny if it were true
<4> what would life be like with 19% interest prime rate?
<2> okay ... they're repairing my usual route to work so I have to leave early ... bye
<0> show no go
<5> no need to drag the rest of us down with you
<0> liberty sank
<4> what would happen to all that consumer debt? all those folks who just bought >$.5mil houses on adjustable loans
<0> yikes!
<6> well, they'd be making a lot more money
<0> no down 50 year adj mtg
<6> on their savings
<0> heh
<0> opur negative savings rate?
<0> our
<4> heh i think someone would be there to pick up their savings, directly from the bank
<4> consumer debt is HIGH. there are a lot more people with more capital outstanding than capital in hand
<4> your 8% student loan form the 80s will start to look like a pretty sweet deal
<4> ocdobut you're right, this could teach us a lesson
<4> you'd also be taking some lessons in mandarin, probably
<1> oh man
<1> I found a good account of US UN vetoes
<4> Publius anything stand out ?
<1> outside of the ridiculous ones meant to screw Israel
<1> that we frequently had to end
<1> no
<1> lol
<4> i think we had some funny stuff with s. africa back in the 80s
<4> before they switched governments
<4> i think isreal was voting with us on those, too
<1> the apartheid
<4> funny thing, that change of government in s. africa caused the only nuclear power to become a non-nuclear power
<1> and mandella
<4> s africa used to have a nuke
<1> oh
<1> yeah
<1> that is where israel got its first bundle
<1> i think
<4> who knows
<4> isreal is an unofficla member =)
<1> of course
<1> i'd be annoying to have the muslim run(basically) IAEA
<1> causing trouble all the damn time
<1> in Israel
<1> it would be
<4> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/ this is one of my favorite sites on the web
<7> my god.. this vid is awesome if you are into R/C planes. a B-29 model carrying a Bell X-1 up!
<7> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-2-10_B_29_Mac_Hodges_1.wmv
<4> reading about the physics of a fusion bomb is amazing. it's a long *** story from ignition to final explosion, but it all happens in nanosecodns. amazing
<4> the pictures rock
<1> I am familiar with the workings of the first
<1> fat man
<1> and little boy
<7> little boy is actually fairly simplistic in construction.. and would be pretty easy for anyone to build [ obviously, once they have the plutonium ]
<1> no South Africa wasn't the first
<4> wouldn't it be ****ing sweet to have seen this: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Plumbob.html
<4> heh yeah of course s africa wasn't the first. they were just the first to give it up and leave the nuclear club
<1> BWAHAHAH
<1> just a little
<4> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Stokes1600c10.jpg
<4> those are just piddly fission bombs
<4> the funny ones are the fusion bombs that they miscalculated and actually blow up wway more than they expected
<1> omfg this page is detailed
<1> "complete list of all u.s nuclear weapons"
<4> yeah i can't figure out if i like the pictures more or the detailed storied of how the fusion nukes work. and how they conjecture about all the other nations that made fusions bombs independently comoing up with the same design
<4> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Redwing.html has good pictures
<1> i want some videos
<1> lol
<4> they had to vacate those island, of course
<4> haha
<1> Oax: are you familiar with youtube.com?
<4> there is a good documentary about that stuff (tho not enough explosions) where they show the army explaining to the bikini islanders why they had to leave their home island. it plays "you are my sunshine" over film of them rowing off on their cannoes to other shores
<4> Publius definitely
<4> oh that doc is called atomic cafe. like i said, not engouh explosions and science
<1> hahahah
<1> a"we wanna blow up your island"
<4> Publius and here's why: there is this evil soviet empire. take our word for it.
<1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_oop7VxEx4 <---underground blast on an alaskan island
<5> youtube.com is great
<7> oax: you know, there was only one person who actually watched the Trinity blast with his own eyes?
<4> those videos are truly awesome
<1> what I like
<4> Lupine who did that? all the military personal were ordered to wear visors
<1> is a simple, lacking music
<1> shot
<7> Oax: Richard Feynman
<4> no way he wasn't there was he?
<4> at trinity?
<4> maybe at another one
<4> but not trinity
<7> he was smart enough to know that a truck's windscreen was all the production he needed
<4> well the brightness is enough to spot-blind you
<4> it'd be like staring at an arc from a welder's torch for a few minutes
<4> or the sun
<1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEFXfMQ-vzQ <-----Ivy Mike
<4> hah i think ivy mike was the one they misjudged?
<7> naw.. its a time response of the nerves or something
<7> anyways, he writes about it in one of his books
<4> pupil dilation only helps against general brightness. it doesn't help when you are staring at the bright thing
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