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<0> it is funny
<1> oax: but he fails to apply the same concepts to the pals
<1> and other arab nations
<2> TimothyWT did you just call me a jigga?
<3> US_Male i don't think any standards setting body has created sucha s et of criteria
<4> oax: hehe
<1> oax: Chomsky is a genius and an intellectual for the ages
<0> a group of people don't even exist have a civil war
<0> interesting
<0> they are just syrian or egyptian
<1> but he honestly doesn't get the middle eat
<1> east
<1> not imo
<2> maybe you don't get it
<4> oax: but it implies that everyone has ot be jewish ? Or does it mean Judaism is the "official religion" ?
<1> I have of course
<5> someone call the Standards Institute, and gets us a new minority
<1> thoguht of this
<2> and you've been duped by the madness of king george
<1> and I try and keep an open mind
<5> EMPIRE
<6> wiretapp what madness
<6> wiretapp what are you speaking of
<3> Publius yeah i love him to death, but the biggest fault I find with him is that he seems a little idealistic. and to most poeple that would be "ridiculously idealistic"
<2> Its all the Project For A New American Centurys plan
<5> wooooo
<1> oax: he is a very very strange character
<2> they said we needed to have a strategic military presence in the middle east
<2> and that it didn't matter where
<1> his idealism is so out of touch is nearly goes full circle
<6> wiretapp what project is that and how is any new ameirca project bad
<1> to cynicism
<2> they also said we needed another Pearl Harbor
<1> lol
<2> which is just spookey
<3> Publius for instance, he supports and has always supported, even when protesting vietnam, a draft. because he thinks politicians would vote differently if their kids were on the line
<5> we have 400 thousand troops spread all over the freaking globe.
<6> wiretapp what your beef with some one wanting to have an opnion that america should go back to thier consertive roots
<2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
<3> Publius even though "draft" is totally against his anarchistic ideal
<6> wiretapp so what
<2> gopp Bush is not conservative he is neo
<6> wiretapp do you impile all projects are bad
<7> wiretapp : jigga isn't not what you think it is. It's a person who thinks he is a 31337 person but is really nothing.
<2> there is nothign conservative about preemtive invasions
<1> oax: I love his analysis on conflicts in the 20th cenutry
<1> he is usually good with tactics
<3> Publius his analysis found where?
<8> thomaswt is a juggalo
<1> until he brings in diplomacy
<2> I thought jigga was Jay-Z
<6> wiretapp what does preemtive mean
<1> just overall
<1> in his books
<1> and essays
<5> i want a Jomocha shake
<2> pre-emptive
<6> wiretapp and who said thier was a [reemptive attack
<5> yet
<0> bush is a liberal
<5> we are supposed to pre empt global warming.
<3> Publius yeah it's funny he often sounds a lot like the people he criticizes, because they have a similar tactical/strategic view. they just disagree on the merit of the ends
<5> on mars.
<6> wiretapp may you hate to be on the offensive
<3> ends and means, of course. moreso means
<6> I tend to like that
<6> offensive strike, against know emeny of america like saddam
<5> Bush is a "Moderate" neither left nor right. he is slightly to the right because he has convictions. at least, he did.
<6> I see no evil in that
<1> oax: and he is such a damn good writer
<1> hard to follow if you aren't prepared
<2> gopp offensive is good sometimes but Bush just makes more of them hate us and we get no benefit
<2> I agree with Afghanistan
<5> hehe
<2> Although I think Bush could have been more diplomatic
<5> I love that
<3> Publius sometimes hard to follow unless you pay very close attention. quite dense
<1> I get impatient at times
<5> "I agree on Afganistan, but Saddam's Iraq was to far!"
<3> Publius which isn't my favorite trait in a writer =)
<1> he goes on and on and on and on
<1> he blogs like Churchill
<1> lol
<5> what a weak ***ed tired old line of drivel
<6> wiretapp more of whom
<6> wiretapp what do you mean hate us
<2> Muslim world
<6> well thath wrong them
<5> Iraq shoulda be fumigated ten freakin years ago.
<2> and actually the rest of the world
<6> more muslim don't hate us
<2> we have shown our military limits
<6> more muslim don't hate us
<2> and are thus now less scary to them than we used to be
<5> Hint: National Foreign Policy is not a Popularity Contest
<2> to the point where even Hugo Chanvez mocks the president
<3> IMO, Bush as president exists more as an image that was marketed to us. and that image is certainly conservative. well initially it was comp***ionate conservative, but that didn't play well in focus groups, so here we are
<3> i don't think it's easy to say what he believes
<1> we took down two governments and ther armies
<1> in less than 2 months
<6> wiretapp <5> Hint: National Foreign Policy is not a Popularity Contest
<2> he may be for some conservative things like tax cuts but his foreign policy is anything but conservative
<1> oax: Bush is sitting right where he has always tho
<5> Yes, Bush Focus Grouped Tax Cuts, Iraq, and Gay Marriage
<9> Publius: kinda hard to call taliban an army
<1> his politics have been consistent
<1> if not the portrayal
<3> and I bet you if you poll americans about what they like about bush, they will point to more image-based traits than any specific policy
<1> Lithium: the repelled the soviets
<1> they
<6> oax tax cuts
<9> Publius: no not just them
<3> Publius that is part of the image, and an effective one, whether you agree with him or not, he sticks to his principles. i'm not saying i agree with that, just that's the image
<1> the northern alliance
<1> yes
<1> I know
<3> gopp heh well you are an issues voter not an image voter =)
<1> oax: it is a strange mix of jeffersonian/washingtonian tactics
<1> Bush is quiet for some things
<9> Publius: they repelled the soviets using the same tactics as the insurgents in iraq are using against us
<1> and for others, he is out leading the charge
<6> yes bush put chavez in to power
<3> DarthBurg one thing to keep in mind is that we can do a lot more to control the persident of the US than any of those other guys
<1> and we are defeating those tactics rather well
<3> president
<10> DarthBurg, yes thanks. Good point.
<6> yea that why people in venezula are asking for bush help to take out chavez wiretapp
<3> so we are going to be biased in where we direct our opinions, in order to be effective
<2> gopp yea Chavez's political opponants
<5> oax Yes, except, one minor point, the Anti Bush team keeps losing at the ballot box.
<9> Publius: apparently not, since its taking years 3 years and things did not improve
<2> but Chavez enjoys a lot of popular suport there
<3> DarthBurg we're trying
<10> **** Venezuela.... why do we have to solve everything ?
<1> Lithium: have you not patience?
<2> just over 50% of the population
<10> let them have Chavez
<2> the rich peopel hate him
<2> poor people love him
<1> no
<9> Publius: how long? what for?
<3> DarthBurg and we've gottena lot closer to removing bush than any of you could hope to getting rid of fidel
<5> oax I know, how did that election fraud inditement for the DNC go in Ohio?
<11> why do we have to solve everything ? <<==we should have used this mentality when dealing with iraq
<1> to freakin understand the situation, adapt, and see what works
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