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Comments:
<0> bmc: The interference IS the law
<1> no
<1> we dont go by some economic philosophy
<0> bmc: I *should* be able to buy labor from wherever I find it.
<1> but you CANT
<1> deal with it or leave the country?
<0> And why cant I? Because the government forbids it
<2> IamKing: keep thinking that you somehow affect my ability to sleep. I hope your illusions of grandeur are curable
<0> The governemnt and its law interfere with market processes.
<0> THAT is the interference.
<1> we arent living by adam smith
<1> we live by the rule of law
<0> Neither am I
<0> lol
<3> Lithium-: trying to debate intelligently with an unintelligent person such as yourself with facts and logic is nothing more than proverbially spinning one's wheels in the mud...you get nowhere while getting yourself all dirtied up for nothing ;) it's just much more entertaining slinging poo on you...it's just too bad for you that it happens to stick ;)
<4> bmc = capitalist running dog
<0> bmc: ie the rule of arbirtrary oppression
<0> bmc: Nobody has the right to tell me where the **** i can buy labor
<1> yes they do
<0> bmc: And you forcing me to buy your labor because it is "legal" is absolutely wrong.
<1> you have no rights to 'free market labor'
<5> Lithium, this sounds a bit gay...... "Lithium-> IamKing: keep thinking that you somehow affect my ability to sleep
<0> Uh.
<0> I have whatever ****ing rights I say I have
<3> Lithium-: but go on ahead and sleep well with that big thick skull up inside the warm comfy confines of your rectum...we all know that you believe in your own bull****...you feed on it everyday ;)
<6> bmc: Workers, the suppliers of labour, don't "demand" anything in a natural market. They will supply their labour for X wage; any lower than X and it's not worth their time to work. It is employers, the buyers of labour, who will be the ones demanding something--specifically, labour, for X wage; any higher than X and it's not worth their time to hire a worker. That's how markets work.
<0> you have no right to tell me what rights I do or dont have
<0> on the other hand
<1> yes
<3> Twobar: hahahahah
<2> IamKing: actually you make yourself look like a complete tool and thats why no one takes you seriously
<1> back to my anarchist argument
<1> its no point arguing with an anarchist
<0> HEH
<6> bmc: Only in statist economies can suppliers "demand" wages. More evidence that it is you who are the statist, or at least the one making a statist argument.
<3> Lithium-: if that makes you sleep better at night, by all means keep believing THAT delusion ;)
<1> you dont ***ert rights you dont have
<0> bmc: You started it by trying to find legitimacy in the legal system.
<0> :)
<0> Where there can be none
<1> nobody owes you rights you dont have
<5> Lithium, do you have a nude pic of IAmKing over your bed, too ? I thought I was the only one.
<2> Twobar: i got two of them
<0> bmc: And nobody owes you a job at a specific rate.
<5> I got mine on ebay
<1> there is no unalienable right to free market labor
<5> Lithium DOH !
<7> nah == there's a mirror there -- might interfere with vision to have pix too
<1> that has never been mentioned by anyone
<8> you did it... EEEEEEBAYYYYYYY!
<1> ever
<3> Twobar: oh gawd...don't make me puke...last thing I need to know is how Lithium- secretly worships me and jacks off with lustful thoughts of me
<0> bmc: That's what you've implied.
<6> bmc: Finally, you admit that you aren't interested in capitalism.
<2> i think IamKing just got a boner
<1> Pickle im talking about rights
<9> http://www.democrats.com/node/5056 Rumsfeld admits MISSILE hit the Pentagon
<1> nobody has the right to an unregulated market, nobody advocates total free markets
<10> Pickle, The labor movement is quick to forget the past, and how far we've come
<1> if they do they are ill-informed
<3> Lithium-: hardly, your *** simply isn't girly enough, although your wrists and lisp are ;)
<0> bmc: By forcing companies to abide by arbitrary law (which happen to vaguely collude with social desire) you are forcing companies to provide you with a job at a specific rate.
<0> Which is wrong.
<11> Lithium- is gay? Now it all makes sense.
<5> fonebone got a nude pic of me in a rather sensuous pose in a nightie, reclining on a beerskin. After all, what could possibly be ***ier than a 55 year old guy with thick gl***es, balding, and a beard, all decked out all ***y ?
<5> haha beerskin
<5> bearskin
<3> Twobar: hahahahah
<6> bmc: You are openly advocating statism, which makes it ironic that you accused your opponents of being the ones advocating communism.
<1> silentb0b so monopolies are ok?
<1> anti-trust activities?
<5> fonebone you SHLUB !
<1> "strongarm tactics"
<0> bmc: Monopolies are not inherent to free markets.
<9> monopolies arise with the help of the state and when they are granted special legal statuses by the state
<6> bmc: Marx wrapped his arguments up in talk of "rights", too. Big deal.
<1> everything goes?
<0> bmc: Yup.
<0> Pretty much
<12> no sir!
<1> haha
<2> US-Male: no, but i think IamKing wants me to be
<1> thats anarchy
<5> whoops, sorry. Accident.
<1> even in economics :P
<11> oh
<13> icmp: yeah these are cool, thanks. I'm not as anti-war as these bloggers are though but that's ok
<0> bmc: Unless it violates 'natural law' ie directly violated other peoples rights
<0> hhe ya
<14> the best monopolies in the world are government backed.
<6> The "right" of the worker to extort the employer. That's what bmc is talking about.
<9> in a free market you can always break a monopoly by starting your own business
<0> bmc: That's the definition of anarcho-capitalism. :)
<5> That's the problem when us heh-men hug one-another. We accidentally sometimes grab each other's ***.
<5> he-men
<1> Pickle its not extortion, the workers know whats laws are in place
<11> lol
<5> US, right ?
<1> as do the employers
<11> err, umm Yeah !
<11> sure man
<5> hehehe
<1> the employers are the ones exploiting illegal workers
<5> dam right !
<1> to get around paying a decent wage
<11> haha
<6> bmc: If it has the threat of violence behind it, which government command and control of the economy does, it's extortion, regardless of your nonsense about "rights".
<14> exploiting.. heh
<5> Publius is the editor of MerkinWorld
<6> Marxist nonsense, I might add.
<14> as if they have no choice but to work for the mean old white man
<0> bmc: Does their exploitation amount to extortion?
<5> A man old white man who grabs their ***
<1> Libertine if they couldnt hire legal help for less than a certain wage, and can hire illegal help for less than that wage, what do you call this?
<14> bmc: a free market?
<0> Lupine: Minarchist.
<0> :)
<8> in that situation the employer always has the power lupe :P
<7> Lupine = might work for some things - but alas not for all things
<1> Libertine the law forbids it
<6> Exploitation. The right of the worker to "demand" his "true" value. Straight out of the Communist Manifesto.
<6> So much for being a conservative.
<1> can the employees break the law to get a better wage?
<11> bmc: key is to be trained for work that illegals are unlikely to perform
<1> is this OK also?
<15> bmc: what do you call it when a worker is willing to do a job for less than minimum wage.. but he isn't allowed to take it?
<14> bmc: the law does and has forbid a lot of things that the free market demands and supplies.
<0> bmc: Of course I think so
<1> Libertine so the employees break the law to get a better wage?
<0> bmc: Because I dont recognize the legitimacy of those laws
<1> Libertine you support that as well?
<15> bmc: why should a worker NOT be able to take a job at a wage he is willing to be paid?
<13> A worker can demand all he wants but that doesn't mean he'll get it
<16> This black guy just called Jesse Jackson a Poverty Pimp heh
<9> miminum wage hurts small business because big business can afford it
<1> Lupine because they are ineligble to work in this country
<1> what should be is irrelevant
<1> all that matters is what is
<13> which is the way it should be
<8> or maybe it keeps small business owners from being bastards and exploiting people who are willing to work 4 jobs?
<11> well hell... if we get to pick and choose what laws "count" then I don't recognize icmp's free speech!
<15> bmc: my question said nothing about illegal workers. but I'll rephrase:
<11> I just don't recognize it. Simple.
<14> bmc: so we need a governmenr rubber stamp to approve who has the right to sell their services and goods here?
<15> bmc: why should an american worker NOT be able to take a job at a wage he is willing to be paid?
<14> bmc: why do you give up your freedom to the governent on this issue?
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