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<0> I always used windows because they were less expensive than mac and you had more choices of 3rd party devices and software.
<1> cd /usr/src && make buildkernel && make installkernel
<1> :P
<2> for example a low cost/footprint server
<3> lol
<3> yah
<2> FT..same here..though i can use a Mac
<4> Astrodog: He could more readily build a NetBSD kernel: ./build.sh kernel=GENERIC ;)
<3> I never recompiled a bsd kernel, but if it's anything like recompiling a linux kernel....it's uh......ya know.......no more complex than setting up an eggdrop
<5> what the hell
<1> icmp: He doesn't want to run an OS on his toaster though.
<0> Yeah but again, IM a poor example of a nerd, I am not a very bright nerd, but I know more about OS's and have used more than 90% of Americans or more.
<2> I would never run a eggy or an IRCD from anything but Linux either..at least for serious purposes
<4> Astrodog: Heheh.
<5> FreeTrade's statement is getting more and more true
<5> not the last one but the one before it
<2> medium and large IRC servers require that ircds run from Linux/Unis
<2> Unix
<0> So for us here to pretend to know the general publics view of (The way they see these things) I have to go to outside sources and be told how they see them, as well as analyze market data.
<5> i have a pot question - if you toke up and then eat an entire pizza is it supposed to decrease your high?
<6> Bush is pretty computer/tech literate actually isnt he? I remember him talking about his gadgets before. but presidents arent allowed to have private email addresses or screen names etc while in office so he had to ditch em all
<7> http://www.deadtroll.com/video/helldeskpg13.html
<3> It's funny though. roughly 10 years ago the entire efnet *nix using community was all over linux's nuts. It was great, you were a "lamer moron" if you didn't use it!
<2> icmps has his own build of Linux..it runs .APMs
<3> now, everyone talks m***ive **** about it
<3> when the only thing that has really changed about linux is that it's become popular
<2> anarchy package Modules
<0> Suna, Yep.
<3> and then people try to tell me that the CS world doesn't automatically dis whatever becomes popular
<1> suna: Linux was, and still is, poorly designed. *shrug*
<0> You go to #linux which I have not been to for 5 years or more and mention windows and they would ban you.
<3> yup
<2> Astro...not completely true...
<0> Pretty immature.
<3> it's a joke, everyone's so damn fake
<1> Cry: Have you seen the m***ive ammount of bloat, and code rot, in the Linux kernel?
<2> its problem is.....10,000 builds with no two alike
<5> do a drive-by windows bomb in #linux then
<1> suna: I just use FreeBSD. Its just better. :P
<0> I likes using windows ipmasq through my linux box at that time.
<7> Freetrade - Thats because puberty is hitting the ops in #linux pretty hard
<3> they love it when it's rare, but what? it's mentioned on tv? highschool kids are learning about it in their cs cl***es? It actually has an easy to setup GUI now? People are USING IT? IT ****S NOW! WE HATE LINUX!
<2> astro..someday someone will strip down the kernel
<0> I could sit at my windows desktop and run my mirc program through basically a linux box almost like a firewall.
<1> Cry: They'll have to take it from Linus's cold, dead fingers, first.
<1> :P
<2> I messed with RedHat5 and 5.1.....user hostile setup lol
<0> They would have to use a linux exploit to take down my box.
<1> Free: Heh.
<2> and not many of those FT
<0> Cry there were secutiry releases for linux weekly
<7> Cry - Try Fedora Core 4, very nice
<1> Free: Please stop. You're baiting. ;)
<2> and hourly
<1> (Not troll baiting, but.... problem baiting)
<2> Boogyman..I was messing with SuSe...it was ok
<0> There was one time when a Windows 95 box on a 56 dialup could drop dead a T3 connected sever at a major university
<2> one build I like is IP Cop
<0> It lasted a few weeks but it was fun.
<7> Ubuntu makes a VERY nice distro for end users
<1> Free: You still can, if you're good at security work. ;)
<4> Astrodog: 13 vulns (public) for NetBSD last year. Not bad :)
<2> how many for windows in the same year??
<1> icmp: But... NetBSD can't actually DO anything.
<1> :P
<2> 1300?
<0> Look it up for posterity if you want it was called 'the ping o death' exploit
<1> Free: A big enough ICMP packet would crash most machines, there for awhile.
<2> tech call from hell: can I put free bizid on my Tiny Notebook??
<2> Free bizid yah FreeBSD
<2> errrrrr
<0> Astro it wasnt the size of the packet per se (As in Huge) it was the size of the packet with a specific packet it couldnt handle.
<0> If I recall correctly
<1> Free: It was just a giant packet, with the do not fragment packet set.
<1> Er
<1> *bit
<6> ping of death didnt last too long, cause the guys who discovered it made it public immediately
<2> Windows 95 had the ol' BSOD
<1> Free: It was a giant ICMP packet, with a few bits set in the header.
<7> People wrote wrappers for it like WinNuke and such
<2> ahh that brings back fond memories...
<4> those damn icmp packets
<2> :) WinNuke
<1> Those.... icmps.
<1> Fear the icmps!
<4> :P|
<7> WinNuke was fun
<2> nahh
<0> An IP datagram of 65536 bytes is illegal, but possible to create owing to the way the packet is fragmented (broken into chunks for transmission). When the fragments are re***embled at the other end into a complete packet, it overflows the buffer on some systems, causing (variously) a reboot, panic, hang, and sometimes even having no effect at all...
<2> WinNuke and equiv got two Malysian domains Glined
<7> One of my engineers refused to install patches and we WinNuked him every 15 minutes for 4 hours, he started patching pretty regularly after that
<2> EFNet and DalNet tossed tm.net.my and jaring.my
<8> pie is enemy
<2> imagine ol' btcentralboy.....
<1> Free: You can't have a packet that large. That was basically the "smallest" it could be, and work.
<0> Its the way the packet was put together.
<5> jaring always has idiots
<1> FT....
<0> Im talking history here I am not talking today.
<2> but equipped with the newest DOS programs
<1> It was just the size. :\
<2> hateuform I did battle with them years ago
<5> FreeTrade: it was patched in 2 hours
<0> At that time it wasnt the size it was the type of packet.. out of of bandwitch I think they called it.
<5> CryHavoc: did you defeat them?
<2> yes....
<0> I was on to this the moment it went down this had to be 8 years ago maybe 10
<9> OOB yes
<1> Free: Ping o death was entirely packet size, and the flags set on the packet.
<2> I was an Oper on a medium sized network...
<5> CryHavoc: congratulations on your victory
<2> I glined them
<5> do it!
<0> Its been so long I forget the windows command line to drop it.
<5> nice
<9> OOB was "winnuke"
<2> OOB = BSOD
<0> The excerpt I was pasting is from a person who still uses it
<5> ping ip
<2> no hatuform......asl lah!!
<5> hahaha
<5> lah
<5> lah!
<5> used to crack me up
<2> then I changed nick to RatanCane
<5> IM A DUDE -- u mak lov lah ?
<2> started caning them
<6> An IP datagram of 65536 bytes is illegal, but possible to create owing to the way the packet is fragmented (broken into chunks for
<6> transmission). When the fragments are re***embled at the other end into a complete packet, it overflows the buffer on some systems, causing
<6> (variously) a reboot, panic, hang, and sometimes even having no effect at all
<5> no leave me alone!
<0> Well This exploit to the amazement of Linuz gurus and devotees did what supposedly a winblows box couldnt do, take down a ts unix based OS Server.
<5> lah lah u saw hot hot hot
<5> sure it got patched 2 hours later though
<2> more like...I was DOS ed offline.....backtracing ip address.....use is from tm.net.my
<2> then...tm.net.my users..unload the Sonic Stealth script....OR ELSE!
<0> Which brings me to my point, no OS is safe and the more it can do the less safe it is, probably intel and msft will lead the way to the least exploitable computers in the future because they plan to use a hardware/software combination which will make it very difficult to propagate a virus.
<0> My new system has an example of that.
<0> But its not perfected yet I think they are looking out optimistically a couple years
<2> that would result in a Super-closed archie...
<2> you think .NET is bad...
<0> Well this would allow maximum functionality with super virus protection.
<0> I dont understand it completely
<2> and such a closed archie.....only Intel chips would work
<0> But like on My box my OS is in a secure portion of the Hard drive which is walled off.
<0> It runs on D: which is fat 32, and the rest of my computer is NTFS, I can not write to D: unless I want to add a program to the secure location.
<0> But I will only use windows there.
<0> Its no the whole OS its core parts of the OS So you can recover from almost any software problem
<6> thats whats so dumb. the sheer amount of $ and time people pay like that ^ just to do something to bandaid a ****ty product.
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