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<0> TheTailor, the hard part is how it is maintained
<1> pilg: DRM is too complicated to do in the BIOS.
<2> if the OS is keyed to the chip, you ONLY run THAT OS
<1> pilg: That wouldn't work, pilg.
<2> Astro is it> I can have a check at BIOS level on a encoding of OS s/n
<1> pilg: No, you can't. :P
<0> pilgrim, hopefully bios will go away soon...with vista it will be gone and with macs it is already gone
<2> yes you can, that is the key to what redmond is doing now. check Vuista
<1> Think about what the BIOS does... and just how hard it would be to actually do that, with 1MB of room.
<0> Vista is using EFI
<3> livid, ther hasn't been a solution at all, that's what's obviously needed. One thing is sure, giving funds to those that vow to kill you with them isn't going to happen, notr should it.
<0> not bios
<4> livid - Vista does not change BIOS
<0> BoogyMan, Vista supports EFI
<0> BoogyMan, that is the standard they are moving to
<2> hell in openfirmmware it is possible call it MugWump if you want. the encoding int he current iteration of EPROM of the opsys key to the firmware
<4> livid - True, but BIOS is not gone just because its out there with support for the extended firmware interface
<1> pilg: There's not enough room, or complexity allowed by the BIOS, to allow it to "confirm" an authorized BIOS.
<1> Or, OS, rather.
<0> boogyman, true enough, they are totally seperate things...again like I said, people are moving away from ****ty old bios
<2> you mena int he boot track?
<1> pilg: No. The BIOS itself.
<4> livid - BIOS *needs* to go away, but simply pointing out that Vista does not deprecate it
<1> You have 1 mbit, to detect all of the devices, and boot.
<2> livid yes, and into DRM capable hardware encoding. like I said: call it mugwump instead of BIOS if you feel better
<1> Er
<1> 8 mbit
<5> indeed the Intel Macs will be completely BIOS-free
<2> the Intel Mac uses Ipen Firmware
<2> Open
<0> the intel Macs are Bios-free
<5> and supposedly Vista will support BIOS-free operation
<1> pilg: The design of PC hardware wouldn't allow that, currently.
<0> intel macs use EFI
<6> sounds weird saying 'intel' macs
<0> the powerpc macs use openfirmware
<2> Astro operative: "currently"
<2> it is a direction they are working on and it is not a good thing imho
<1> pilg: With the current design, using the BIOS, you cannot have DRM force you to run a specific OS.
<0> I work as a sysadmin at a company that is about 99% macs
<0> BoogyMan, I hope so!
<1> There's just not enough the BIOS lets you do.
<2> I work as a sysadmin in a company that has...humm aboyt 7 Macs ...and 1000+ PCs
<0> yea...bios is really crappy
<7> why would you want DRM to force you to run a specific OS
<2> deku you wouldn't
<6> pilgrim` that is a more realistic ratio
<0> Pilgrim, sorry to hear that...we will be moving to all linux in the next 5-7 years I think
<5> and obvious example of a non-BIOS system is Suns
<2> YOU wouldn't and thats the point
<1> Suns, and Macs have a BIOS.
<2> livid we have 3 Unix servers and thats about it
<7> What Microsoft is making mobos now?
<1> They call it OpenFirmware, and OpenBoot, respectively.
<2> XP all the way
<0> Pilgrim, damn...that ****s...
<0> XP isn't good
<2> oh and an old Mainframe
<1> Its STILL a BIOS, even if it looks differnt.
<1> :P
<2> yeah
<2> it quacks like a duck./....
<7> xp works much better than any previous versions of windows
<1> OpenBoot *might* work for the DRM stuff... I'm sure OpenFirmware would.
<2> thats like praising a leaking boat that you are still alive as long as you bail
<1> But the PC BIOS wouldn't... its got too much other **** to do. :P
<1> pilg: The bitch would be seeking the HDD to wherever the OS serial number was
<0> well, EFI is just an interface to the firmware
<1> Without also making it trivial to just have that copied.
<0> it is what will do the negotiation between the firmware and the OS
<2> right now any motherboard has the capability of a BIOS level p***word. all it does is protect BIOS values from being set w/o it. (though by jumpering the clear you make it go away) -it is a simple stretch and 1 chip from a higher level securiyt,, and no jumper
<0> which is a much better standard then hitting the firmware directly
<2> Astro yep
<2> or the DVD player
<1> pilg: That's where its a bitch... is having the BIOS actually look at anything on the HDD.
<0> yep
<2> and,m you can encode the boot track ont he HDD or the DVD and set it to ONLY ONE OPSYS
<2> and only one copy
<1> pilg....
<7> I've been having a lot of trouble with my MBR
<2> shades of copy protect on old Apple 5.25 floppy drives all over again
<1> You can't. The BIOS can't keep track of that.
<7> Havne't been able to start windows without disc in the drive
<0> no it can't
<2> Astro today
<0> I agree with you astrodog
<0> deku, have you done a fdisk /mbr
<7> its weird because I put the windows disc in, and dont press any key to boot from cd, then it will boot from hd correctly
<1> pilg: The BIOS will never be able to do that. The DRM system would need another BIOS
<2> but it is easy to basically have a on of switch with a check built in
<7> livid i think i need to do the 'fixmbr' command
<2> Astro as I said: a chip
<7> but I am procrastinating
<1> Which you could just physically remove.
<2> check here, if flag= y then Boot = yes
<7> I hardly ever turn my machine off
<1> pilg: That wouldn't work, though. People could just figure out where its looking.
<0> deku, I have always used fdisk /mbr...
<1> They've gotta do some crypto operations.
<2> a chip on the board with like a MAC encoded to the MAC on the boot drive
<0> although I have needed to do that to any xp machines
<2> that would work
<8> this is hilarious - i'm on #politics and #computers right now -- and #politics is discussing computers while #computers is discussing politics
<8> isn't that somethin
<1> pilg: How? The open source installers could just steal it from the "Authorized" OSes.
<2> its the politics of computers
<2> like DVD screens yeah it ain;t perfect, but Bill and HLS will think it is and bust you for terrorism if you do
<2> screeners
<1> pilg: Heh. With x86/x84, they can't keep me from running whatever I want. Even if the BIOS is DRM enabled, and its all locked up.
<1> *x64
<1> pilg: The moment I can get an instruction into ring 0.... I win. :P
<2> I could just see future hdd shipped with a use once CF drive that integrates DRM encoding Board<>drive
<9> dongle crackers are always looking for something new to play with. Right now rumor has it some people are working on the authenity chip on the macbook pro
<2> rememebr parallel dongles for security?
<9> I do
<1> pilg: The problem is, the moment an instruction can be run in ring 0.... the protection is byp***ed.
<2> I have a few somewhere
<1> Heh.
<1> We still use em.
<1> :P
<10> ScottFree...and they will break it
<9> true CryHavoc
<2> Astro oh I know. No lock one man makes, another cannot crack but, they will make a new cl*** of intelectual crime. Believe it
<10> hordes of 13-17 year olds who can't read...but can crack dongle pro
<11> Astrodog: well, until you come up with a crack or workaround for the TPM chips, you will be considered full of **** until then
<10> grimmy...that **** already has been Mitnicked
<8> hahaha
<12> The politics of computers is the government waste $billions of tax payers dollars on oses, even allowing them in schools, when free alternatives such as linux are available.
<8> iamking is a jerk
<1> IaK: Uh.
<11> hateuform = trolling ***trich
<1> Getting around them is easy, if you don't want to use software that requires them.
<10> IamKing is effete Royalty...s prime candidate for Regicide...
<8> toecutter: because there is not enough expertise on it to support the population
<2> Mitnicked as a verb. I like that ;)
<10> IamKing as.....Hamas Majority......
<8> no one is taking the initiative to create the change
<8> haha
<10> iamking...IAMKING! DEATH TO ISRAEL!! ALLAHU AKBA-- Hey whats that whistling sound??
<10> see hateuform
<10> lol
<10> 'tis Areil Mistress of the Air!!!!
<13> shalom
<13> i before e
<10> greets
<8> i like that 20th hijacker zakkari pulling that **** in the court room "I AM AL QUAEDA - I AM ALQUAEDA - DEATH TO YOUR COUNTRY"
<10> is the knig of tpyos!! :P~~
<8> that's just the craziest **** in the world
<8> i am al quaeda? wtf?
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