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Comments:
<0> Timur: what does the FSE get you? can you work for emb***ies and consulates
<0> ?
<1> yeah you can
<2> if you're not one, and are comfortable being so, then that's fine for you, but not everyone has to settle for that.
<2> Oc: yes
<3> well, I think most of us are the 'subhumans' -- whose opinions don't matter much. That's how I count myself.
<4> woohoo, doorman at the emb***y
<0> Timur: cool ... any particular country you're interested in?
<4> now THAT'S important
<4> won't leave much time for IRC
<2> jhicks: no, consular/political/economic emb***y staff.
<4> and you still won't be able to code
<0> the Marines are the doormen at emb***ies
<4> poor Timur
<4> OcDoc: good point
<5> so are FSE ppl/agents targeted more or less than others?
<3> I don't have the right politics, anyway, for government service, I think.
<4> Timur: you'll never make doorman
<4> since you're weak and pale from too much irc
<0> I think the Italians at the Libyan consulate should not have been left exposed like that
<2> I'm neither weak nor pale.
<3> pale skin -- reduces chance of skin cancer.
<2> but you're boring
<4> you're withering away man
<1> std::cout "all your emb***ies are belong to mob fires!" /n; return(0);
<4> Bokavitch: stop that evil c++!
<1> hehehe
<2> Oc: right, thanks for showing knowledge
<0> Timur: what were they thinking?
<1> i dunno i don't think the italian consulate was exposed exactly
<1> the libyan military shot and killed something ilke 12 of the rioters
<3> Imo, government is the place to be, employment wise. If I was younger, that's the direction I'd go. The private sector is pain.
<0> Bokavitch: I heard eleven were killed and the building torched
<2> Oc: I think they thought the Libyans were less psycho towards Italians than other Arabs vis-a-vis other Westerners
<0> Bokavitch: really? I hadn't heard that
<1> and the italian dignitaries were quoted themselves as saying that the libyans were trying to control the mob but couldn't manage to
<1> yeah i think i saw it on bbc
<1> i'll see if i can find a link
<3> Lot of Arab anger over cartoon issue -- they have been whipped into frenzy.
<4> ke6i: kush job, short hours
<0> Why did the Italian Foreign Minster resign ... something about a tee shirt?
<0> thanks
<2> yeah
<3> yeah not sure which cartoon he had on the shirt? Was it the 'head bomb' one?
<1> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4726204.stm
<4> 1 billion pissed off cartoon haters
<0> kebi: I worked on and off in the government ... you DON'T want to go there ... the mindless bureaucracy is numbing and frustrating
<5> dead civilians in iraq i wonder if/when they asked for military intervention
<1> this says something about it, i'm going to look for the article that quoted the italians in the consulate
<0> kebi: the minister wore an offensive tee shirt?
<3> Yeah that was my recollection of the news.
<2> there's mindless bureaucracy in the corporate world too.
<4> big time
<0> jsable: there were dead Iraqis before intervention, and more after ... shrug
<0> Timur: very true
<6> and still far more IRaqis have been killed by islamist terrorists than by american troops
<0> Timur: but I lasted almost nine years in industry
<6> in fact, muslims continue to comprise the majority of islamist terrorists' victims
<0> professionals and government or business don't mix well
<6> they kill more of the people they claim to represent than anyone else does
<4> I've found that they realllly crooked people tend to foster bureacractic stuff as their smokescreen
<3> Wonder if Lybia goes for Islamic revolution? And this emb***y thing is a hint of things brewing...
<4> it's not really mindless...
<2> Oc: ok, but apparently not because or in spite of the existence of a sizeable bureaucracy in either the public or large-scale private sector, as both have such bureaucracies
<0> gloriae: but they blame it on their enemies
<3> Private sector is fine, as long as you never get sick or old.
<4> ke6i: HAH
<2> or expect a pension.
<4> better to burn out and die young
<6> ke6i, your mantra isn't doing you much good
<3> what is my mantra?
<0> Timur: just telling of my experience ... I can't last long in government bureaucracy ... I went three weeks once without seeing a single patient but I attended fourteen meetings with absolutely no gain from any of them
<3> ommm ommm
<4> better to burn out than it is to rust
<4> and die neil young
<1> oc: i found that article http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/17/cartoon.protest.ap/index.html
<0> nothing was decided, no new information was revealed, no problems were solved and no plans were launched ... fourteen government meetings in three weeks
<3> heh, listening to Neil Young now.
<4> die neil die
<4> hehehe
<0> thanks
<1> np
<3> I like Neil Young. I like him more than I like Dylan, among screechy voiced 60's folkish rock singers
<4> ok, i admit i like 'comes a time'
<4> but don't tell anybody, k?
<3> Marlon Brando, Pocahontas and me.
<4> i can't stand pocahontas
<5> is it just me, or am i alone or dense, i care about the civilian to military death counts, but i don't know now at times i get freaked out like there are no professionals
<4> or threser
<7> new york new york, there's no place I'd rather be, where else can you do a half a million things, all at a quarter to three
<4> er thresher
<0> Boka: according to that no Italians in the compound were injured ... must have been all rioters who were killed
<1> yeah
<4> Welfare mothers
<4> make better lovers
<2> Oc: right, so I read
<5> a professional soldier kills the same
<1> like i was saying before, i don't think the libyans really tried to leave the compound unguarded
<2> Libyan police and the Libyan .gov have a strong interest in protecting people who buy their oil, and as being seen as reasonable.
<0> jsable: I'm not immune to death, but there are five billion people out there and many of them are trying to kill each other ... hard to pick and choose
<1> Yeah i'm giong to have to agree with Timur on that one
<5> to some me included killing women/children is wrong
<4> OcDoc: good thing we don't exacerbate the problems
<0> Bokavitch: that was different from what I had read earlier
<3> I thoght those Libyans kept a tighter lid on things...
<2> jsable: that's a nice truism, but how to implement such a policy in wartime
<1> They are trying to improve relations with the EU so the whole thing was bad for them and they were trying to control it
<0> jhicks: the cartoons were a deliberate effort to exacerbate the problems
<2> not always simple or easy
<8> http://www.ultima-canam.info/picshi/190705charlie05.jpg
<4> by mindlessly allowing our bureaucrats to meddle in the affairs of people that didn't vote for them
<3> Yeah that paper knew they were playing with dynamite.
<1> Oc: what had you read earlier?
<5> OcDoc: well start a record only kill men. leave wome/children outside of your battle.
<0> Bokavitch: that the consulate had been burned to the ground and eleven people killed ... it sounded like the rioters killed the consulate staff
<2> jhicks: since you're not serious, I'm gonna have to ignore you. Someone who believes in isolationism and secession from the US isn't serious.
<4> OcDoc: I would not be at all surprised to find CIA involvement either
<1> OcDoc: heh yeah i can see how that would have been confusing as hell, i would have thought the same thing
<4> Or other "intelligence" agencies
<0> jhicks: I have zero control over my government
<4> Timur: I'm never serious
<4> OcDoc: yeah me either
<4> they don't care about us
<4> oh well
<0> I may have some small influence over my local government
<4> i guess we're a well off as we'll ever be
<4> dammit
<4> because it used to be better
<0> I went to a tax ***essor meeting to protest a decision they made once ... they ignored me
<3> yeah Presidential election in California barely matters at all.
<4> and it steadily gotten worse
<4> so now is as good as it gets
<4> it's a crapslide from here to the septic tank
<1> ke6i: heh yeah cali is bad, utah is even worse, was something like 75% for bush
<4> And more Mormons in Utah
<3> yeah primary is always resolved before it gets to California. And California, rarely is in play for President.
<4> (just an observation)
<2> Oc: I guess there's always lawsuits; sometimes the threat of one can help produce results
<1> hehe yeah
<0> they said that the best evidence of what my property was worth for tax purposes was what I paid for it ... I pointed out that what I paid for it was the twenty percent down ... the bank paid the rest
<2> sadly it often has to come to that
<5> there was NO election,,, harvard vs. harvard
<4> OcDoc: hahahaha
<5> or skull and bones vs skull and bones
<2> jsable: huh?
<2> that's Yale, first of all.
<4> jsable: yeah, some contest
<0> I pointed out that there are different definitions of "value" and that they had chosen the worst possible one for tax purposes ... they ignored that completely
<1> Was Yale actually i think
<2> right.
<4> jsable: "Thank you sir, may I have another"
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