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<0> :P
<1> is it a full moon out there tonite ?
<2> Why is zenabi threatening twobar ?
<1> Astro hehe yep
<1> Johan, he's just trolling a bit, no biggie
<3> hitler was baptised catholic and was never ex-communicated
<4> Austria and Rumania were extremely good Nazis, but also religious
<1> it is saturday night. Mental pygmies are out howling
<5> NC17 has a point, Arcane doesnt when it comes to hitler and christianity, Most germans were christians, hitler wasnt, most germans permitted the atrocities against the jews.
<5> Im out of here goodnight
<2> Linus: ?The Nazis melted catholics down in the ovens right alongside the jews..the nazis HAD NO RELIGION
<6> biblical reference tell us that the pharohs were required by God to "let my people go" but the egyptian version of the story sez that the Hyksos became so influential and powerful in egyptian society that they had to be banished into the desert and during this time consolidated their culture and became Jews as we know them today
<3> http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/PraysingCelebration.jpg
<7> FreeTrade: hitler was christian :)
<3> johan, whatever
<7> FreeTrade: a christian occulist :)
<1> arcane, you are wrong
<6> therefore the first antisemitics were actually egyptians
<1> he was no christian, there is nothing in Hitler's talks or practices or icons or anything that leans to christianity
<3> he was baptised catholic, never ex-communicated, but he didnt recieve a catholic funeral
<0> Two: A swastica looks kinda like a cross. :P
<8> fema: is that the origins of only jews.. or of all semetic people?
<3> The Concordat between the Vatican and the Nazis
<3> Cardinal Secretary of State, Eugenio Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII) signs the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican at a formal ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. Nazi Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen sits at the left, Pacelli in the middle, and the Rudolf Buttmann sits at the right.
<3> The Concordat effectively legitimized Hitler and the Nazi government to the eyes of Catholicism, Christianity, and the world.
<9> hitler actually thought of naziism as a new kind of religion
<8> astro: no, nazi's were hindu's!! :-)
<6> ITS JUST THE ORIGIN OF THE jEWS.
<6> oops
<6> sorry
<1> Hitler founded far more than a political regime - the Third Reich was an Occult-based Order using Magical and Esoteric practices. Everything which defined the Nazi Party was Magical. From the Swastika to the Order of the SS, all elements were driven by Esoteric teachings. Inspired by the occult writings of Helena Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, Eliphas Levi, Nosradamus and John Dee to name but a few
<10> oh hey, i'm back to mention GMF again
<4> Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf). Hitler beleived he was a Christian
<8> fema: ah, so antisemitism could, in tehory.. preexist that point
<11> Good luck trying to paint a credible connection between Christianity and Nazism
<12> FreeTrade - While most Germans at the time claimed Christianity, there is no evidence that Hilter could be grouped as such
<11> becuase you're not going to be able to find it
<10> actually, nm
<7> Twobar: hmmm LEVI!?!
<1> If you read up on Blavatsky, Crowley, and the beginnings of naziism, there is alot of tie ins , and info out there
<11> and even though there may be a correlation
<11> There is no causal relationship
<2> The swastica HAS NOTHING to do with the cross..It has arcane significance..Hitler believed in supernatural forces
<11> Christianity didn't cause Nazism because of something evil in its nature
<8> Hitler referred to himself as christian.. and I believe in religious freedom, and that one mans claimed religious is that religion.. ergo, hitler was christian
<7> Johan-: it has no significance to me
<3> herz, did anyone suggest it did?
<11> There are evil people from all religions
<1> And if you REALLY want to understand Hitler's roots , look up his love of Wagner
<11> and evil people who are secular and athiest
<1> the music
<6> well not really because there were not Jews until that time. so yes, the first recorded incidence of anti-semitism also occured in egypt.
<8> john: it predates nazi's by a long time :-) well, not on a white circle on a red background.. but the symbol itself isn't that originoal
<4> In many speeches Hitler referred to himself as a Christian
<11> Linus-, If nobody is suggesting there is a causal relationship, just ***ociation, then its mental *********ion
<2> AAA: BS..where is your source
<13> yea hitler wasn't an original guy, he had problems and wanted people to blame and he just took all of his ideas from some guy he read about heh
<1> The Nazi sacred symbols and concepts of the swastika or "gamma cross", the eagle, the red/black/white color scheme, and ancient Nordic runes (one of which became the insignia of the SS), were all adopted from esoteric traditions going back centuries, shared by Brahmins, Scottish Masons, Rosicrucians, the Knights Templars and other esoteric societies
<3> christians killed jews, jews killed christians, we all killed muslims, and so on
<11> Linus-, Sort of like, Hey guys, Iranian government is mostly Muslim... Whats the point of the statement?
<2> Hitler was dumped by a jewish girl
<7> Twobar: hmmm LEVI!?!
<4> Hitler: My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.
<8> fema: naw, just wondering if there were other semetic people.. i am not one who ignorantly believes "anti-semetism" only refers to jews.. as that is a bastardization of the english language for a specific political ideology
<7> Twobar: why would LEVI help hitler?
<1> arcane, yes, he was an occultist
<1> arcane, he was an occultist who lived before hitler
<7> oh
<3> all im doing is countering ppl's claim that hitler wasnt a christian, when in fact, by baptism, he was
<4> Mein Kampf
<4> Mein Kampf for a start
<1> google 'hitler and the occult': 338,000 entires
<1> entries
<11> Linus-, I'm sure Hitler was a Christian, but its meaningless
<6> i dunno Lupine, i just discovered this culture tral a couple of years ago. i dont claim to be an expert.
<14> what page cause I have read mein Kampf and I never saw that
<11> Linus-, His action certainly wasn't within the realm of Christian Ethics
<3> not claiming it was
<7> Herzen: the vatican sure thought they were
<8> google 'Twobar and sheep": 9,984,431,431.43 entries
<3> BUT the church did sign accords with hitler
<2> Linus: Christian and Jewish civilizations EVOLVED(separation of church and state).. Muslim civilizations HAVEN'T ..they've only regressed and degenerated..that's the difference
<12> Linus - Would you say that someone who went to medical school and failed the board exams was an M.D.?
<11> Linus-, Sign accords with the Fascists, or be destroyed? I'd sign accords and ride it out.
<9> ttwobar , hitler also talked about how nazi ideology reflected the natural order for the world, and how imposing a nazi state fulfilled this order, he spoke about naziism in religious terms
<11> Linus-, Since the seat of Papal Power was in Fascist Italy
<4> http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm
<6> Hyksos http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hyksos&btnG=Google+Search
<3> this was in 1935, before the war
<11> Linus-, Sweden signed a deal to export Steel to the Nazis, did that make the Swedes of the era evil Fascist Nazis? Of course not
<11> Linus-, Irrelevant, it was in a peroid of religious persecution
<1> Google "Lupine and the Invention of the Occult Merkyn". Very gay.
<11> Linus-, If you read a lot of the literature from the peroid, its clear the Nazis didn't trust the Clergy
<14> AAA what page?
<9> twobar why merkyn with a y , did some feminist object to using an i
<11> Linus-, I believe the Catholic church was just trying to protect their own
<15> hehhe i am the only geek in wal-mart tonight that bought a deluxe table top Scrabble game=)
<1> redfish, it is the ancient spelling.
<7> oooh
<4> I pasted the URL -- an abstract of the book with quotes
<9> oh like Magick
<3> nazi soldiers graves were marked with crosses
<7> those things are nice rusty
<14> I do not want the url I want the page in the book
<14> I have the book
<11> Linus-, In the USSR our soldiers graves were marked with crosses
<11> Whats your point?
<0> Linus: Yeah... the end of the swastica was stuck in the dirt.
<0> :P
<3> herz, the church at that time still had many anti-semites in it
<1> redfish, no "magick" is not the ancient spelling. Crowley adopted that , to distance HIS magic from those of charletons and others
<9> i know , but merkyn is not an ancient spelling either
<2> JanetB: How did the nazis treat german catholics
<4> Besides we have Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
<14> johan.. they killed them
<12> Slashdot links to an article that the Playstation 3 may cost over $800.00 -> http://rsch1.ml.com/9093/24013/ds/276873_0.PDF
<11> Linus-, Your right, but your still trying to draw a patently meaningless ***ociation between Nazism and Catholocism, and the only real reason I can get from it would be to demonize modern Catholicism
<1> redfish yes it is. The Vast Ancient Ones wore their merkins in true Elvis fashion, illuminating their scintillating foundations.
<11> Linus-, Infact the fact that you linked the image from a patently pro-Athiest anti-Religion website almost confirms it
<2> janetB: I know... Tell that to Linus and AAA who claim that nazis were catholics
<0> Herz: Well...
<0> Religion is crap. :P
<4> The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion
<12> Astrodog - You have a right to a moronic opionion
<12> err opinion
<0> So Nazis had some on their shoes. Life goes on.
<14> the church gave out thousands of baptismal certificates, to Jews... to try to protect them and hid thousands in St Peters
<11> Astrodog, Religion might be crap factually, but it means a lot to a lot of people, and I honestly believe that it does help to guide people ethically
<11> Astrodog, So thats fine
<4> Johan -- Speak for yourself
<14> anyone can say they are a catholic.. does not mean they are
<11> Astrodog, You or I don't need it, but I wouldn't want to live in a world without Christian ethics
<0> Herz: Opiate of the m***es, as it were. ;)
<1> Can you imagine the ethics of so many humans, without a religous "morals" or "ethics" ?
<11> Astrodog, The last guys who called it the Opiate of the m***es went on to slaughter millions of people
<8> Herzen: "can" help to guide people ethically, it is a double edged sword.. many religious leaders use it to guide people unethically, i.e. fatwahs etc.
<1> without some kind of guidance ?
<11> Lupine, You could argue the same thing with idealogy though
<3> Herzen, the images' original sources are referenced if thats what you want
<1> Linus is "guided" by his Love Mechanism
<0> Herz: So... sometimes psycho people get the right idea, and apply it incorrectly.
<4> JanetB -- Hitler was raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika.
<11> Linus-, Thats not what I want, I don't want anything, I think the site is telling thats all
<11> Linus-, I didn't say the image was faked
<8> twobar is "guided" into sting's bung
<1> AAAman found the image of Hillary carved into his burrito.
<14> AAA... and he denounced the church and had many many priests killed and nuns
<14> so whats your point
<4> JanetB -- That also is true
<0> bbl.
<4> Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense
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