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<0> same reason americans in 1980 feared nuclear power plants
<1> i read that euros are more informed about it than americans
<1> (about gm)
<0> Kardos, Only in labeling.
<0> They fear it which indicates to me they are not well informed.
<1> americans should require labeling
<0> they are victims of a fear campaign, its huge in England.
<0> We Americans have been eating genetically altered food for 3 decades or more
<0> Kardos why ?
<2> irradiated food is MUCH safer but Americans would go nuts if you tried to sell them irradiated food
<1> for 3 decades?
<1> irradiation is completely independant of GM
<0> Unless its a peanut allergy which is rare to scientific knowlege I believe 1 person has died of a peanut allergy from a genetically engineered food.
<0> 1 person dead in 30 years or so
<0> And that was a fluke
<0> Like how many people do you personally know who died of a bee sting ? I dont know one.
<0> and yet i know some people can die from it
<2> Kardos: I know, I was using it as an example of fear outweighing logic or evidence
<1> so basically, GM is what they say it is .... an accelerated form of selective breeding (growing)
<0> Let me post this and Ill be done with the subject for good.
<0> In the case of oral HSV-1, many of the approximately 100 million Americans who are infected acquired the virus when they were children. By the time they're adults, only some 5% of people are bothered enough to consider oral HSV-1 a medical problem, according to Spruance.
<0> On the other hand, almost all of the approximately 40 million Americans infected with HSV-2 acquired the virus as teenagers or adults. In the first year, those who have recurring outbreaks experience an average of four to six episodes. Over time, as with oral infections, the number of outbreaks usually drops off.
<0> Genetic engineering decreases the need for pesticides.
<0> or herbicides
<0> Why would people be against this ?
<1> nobody's worried about the potential of merging 2 radiacally different species, and creating something dangerous?
<3> FT: For the sake of ANY argument, scientific or otherwise, please refrain from using the 'tarded pre-fix of "like"
<1> before GB we just had selective breeding and grafting, which always had to occur between very similar things
<4> Im worried about merging libertarians and republicans
<0> If you can take a plant with a natural resistant to insects and insert a gene from it into a vegetable we all love and help decrease the need for pesticides and get a healthier tomato ?
<0> Surrly Too late
<0> ;)
<4> arghh
<1> It sounds too good to be true FreeTrade
<1> what about concerns of lowering biodiversity?
<0> Zenabi, Ive debated the best of them my entire life, I will do as I please
<5> back
<0> and in this case I am citing, www.herpes.com
<1> Nothing has an empty "cons" list
<3> FT: I know...but I am better
<6> yeah you can never be sure that by changing something in the genetic structure that you aren't creating an imbalance elesewhere in the dna chain
<6> especially when you take into account environment and other factors
<3> not better than you, perhaps
<0> Zenabi, I dont care if you are PhD I could take your pants off and expose you to the channel and go back to burning a DVD without missing a beat.
<0> Thats how good I am !
<0> ;)
<1> if these things get out into the wild, will they be a problem (ie, too strong and kill everything else?)
<3> but generally better
<0> hehehehe
<0> Sorry I am joking.
<3> me too
<4> Freetrade pantsed Twobar
<2> Kardos: it's a question of relative risks
<7> oh......is that why his pants were down
<7> ;p
<5> hahaha
<6> kardos: here in australia we introduced a plant that came from europe and it's used to generally cold weather, now it grows rampant all up and down the coasts of australia - there's no real hope anymore of getting rid of it - it destroys all other plant life - and all we did was introduce another NATURAL strain
<6> it loves the heat ;)
<1> OcDoc: we're risking something irreversible
<1> like a diode, one way
<1> the question is, is that wise?
<1> i also read that there is little testing done
<1> on the order of "here joe, taste this" "its fine" , alright, ship the seeds
<0> Im sorry though I offended someone who has graduate education in mircrobiology by demonstrating the person wrong...
<6> freetrade: how dare you? ;)
<6> you just have no respect for the education system, do you?
<2> thefinn: that happened with Kudzu vine in america too
<0> well.. I am a bad boy
<2> Kardos: so you never want to take any risks because it might be bad?
<2> Kardos: we're all still living in caves that way
<0> Is somethign reall a risk which we have been doing for so long ?
<0> We have used genetic research for corn and tomatos especially for a very long time.
<6> as time goes on the risk is greater
<2> Free: it's a matter of different interpretations and wordings for the same thing
<2> Free: you were both saying the same things in different ways, making it sound like you were disagreeing
<0> ocDoc, about Genetic engineered food ?
<2> Free: sorry, what were you talking about?
<6> in fact when the human genetic code was released, bill clinton spent the better part of 3 months going all over the world to countries that had the technology to use it and got many countries to sign an agreement not to clone humans, 2 months later italy did it against the agreement :\
<1> well, it seems like one of those things like sucratose that seemed great at first, and then it turned out to cause cancer
<6> back in about '96
<6> ish
<3> or endor----
<6> i still don't think you can implant a gene artificially and be sure that there isn't going to be some kind of imbalance created
<1> and, the other side of the argument is ...
<1> all the things that we had the day before GM was started.... are tried/stress tested/environmentally survivable etc
<3> I reckon I fthey give me the machine that goes "Ping" I could do that.
<1> these genetically modified things could go bust in 5 years
<2> Kardos: every major advance was purchased at the price of some downside ... why do you object to that?
<1> i object because we dont know what the downside is
<2> Kardos: even the worst disasters in history are barely noticeable now
<1> we dont make an advance when the downside are so miserable that we can't live with them
<2> Kardos: we NEVER know what the downside it
<2> Kardos: we can only make educated or less than educated guesses and watch carefully for a while after making the change
<1> yeah, this is true
<2> increased trade caused the bubonic plague ... oh well ... do what you can and move on
<1> trade is stupid
<2> heh
<1> well, maybe thats exaggerated
<0> Abusive Domain or User
<1> trade is inefficient
<2> Kardos: but it's better than what it replaced
<2> that's the nature of progress
<2> for every disaster in history, SOMEBODY predicted it
<8> trade is such a fantastic and revolutionary concept that one could construe an argument that it was one of the singlemost important factors for the huge increase in the standard of living, etc
<1> hmmm
<9> i think the weakness of trade is that it may encourage too much specialization.
<2> for every thousand predictions of disaster only ONE will be true in hindsight
<2> Herzen: amen
<3> Foucault's Pendulum swins!
<3> swings
<1> it makes more sense to eat stuff grown here than overseas
<2> Zenabi: give Foucault enough rope and he'll hang himself
<3> perhaps
<2> Kardos: no it doesn't ... the growing season is opposite in the southern hemisphere than it is in the northern
<1> live at the damn equator ;)
<2> Kardos: eating fresh fruit from the south in the northern winter is a good thing
<1> hmmm
<9> OcDoc: but as for nutrition, beyond taste?
<2> Michael: who knows?
<10> nanotechnology isn't underestimated for predictions of disaster heh
<2> well, my wife is making a Tuacatini for us, so I'll go join her ... laterz guyz and dollz?
<8> its unfeasible for ourselves to be self-sufficient on our own
<9> OcDoc: cabbages, grown in the colder seasonal weather, may help fight cold seasonal diseases more than, say, orange juice.
<8> the ability to specialize has allowed our productivity to shoot up
<8> similarily, on the international level, national specialization has allowed nations to become even more productive
<8> in turn helping our standard of living
<8> its better to do 1 thing very well, then to do 10 things at a mediocre level
<3> productivity?
<10> not necessarily
<9> specialization is for insects.
<3> Bean Counting?
<8> MichaelC, do you buy food at a store?
<8> or do you grow all of your own?
<10> what happens if you're some awesome gas engine tech then people stop using gas engines, what happens to your specialization then o_O
<8> _8_9_3_, adaptation
<3> Etymology is something that I gave up in pursuit of rodents
<8> things don't happen suddently
<8> for instance, the change of using fossil fuels to using another alternative energy source
<8> Will not be a quick thing
<8> It will be a gradual transition
<3> well, entropy might just disagree with you there sonny
<8> giving specialized socities time to adapt
<11> Unless there's a water/wine thing, like with Jesus.
<10> jesus does not = god
<8> Zenabi, Well, thats all fine and dandy
<11> In which case... we might switch from gas to ground meat in an instant!
<10> just in case anybody was dumb enough to believe so
<8> Entropy might disagree with me, but history is on my side
<8> if you look at it historically, most technological change is on a gradual basis
<0> Science is a reality we must deal with, Its going to happen unless you establish a world dictatorship, If we dont clone something Brazil will. If we dont genetically engineer food when we are the most knowlegable country in the world about food production, Someone else will. If we wont use nuclear energy like France does, we suffer not the french. Etc etc etc.. Im not saying we should do everything. And in fact I agree with dicta
<8> Look at energy production in the United States
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