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Comments:
<0> Zen!
<1> Is region 1 better than region 2 ?
<2> :)
<3> zenabi: Um, copyright/patents are the antithesis of free capitalism..
<2> thank you
<4> FreeTrade: find a way to set your drives region
<5> FreeTrade, go ahead and ***ign the region that you're most likely to use then
<4> And Region 1 us US/Japan
<3> FT: the disk has no region ***igned, or the drive has no region ***igned?
<5> FreeTrade, I think the US is region 1
<2> exactly
<1> OK Ill try that
<3> FT: your drive should be region 1, but it should play a regionless disk fine
<0> Zen welcome
<5> Necrosan, well, I have Japanese movies that will not be read by a region 1 encoded player
<1> Lupine the drive
<5> Necrosan, so I don't think Japan is region 1
<4> FreeTrade: Or flash your drive to rpc1 ;)
<3> FT: ah, what software are you using to play the movie?
<4> Katey-: Ah, I may be wrong.
<2> Lupine: So we agree
<3> many mainstream DVD player software refuses to read off a zone-free drive
<6> lupine there are a lot of decisions of composition and style, even aside from subject matter, in even the plainest of paintings. but in western art portraits like the mona lisa were never the most valued artworks either, anyway nor were realistic works
<7> Japan is Region 2
<7> China has its own Region
<7> as Region 6
<4> Maybe I'm thinking of NTSC/PAL
<4> I know japan is NTSC, and I know US is region 1 though :)
<1> Lupine windows explorer doesnt even see it
<6> herzen has his own region
<7> Region 1 is Bermuda, Canada, United States and U.S. territories
<7> Region 2 is The Middle East, Western Europe, Central Europe, Egypt, Greenland, Japan, Lesotho, South Africa and Swaziland
<3> redfish: I look at the totality of the experience.. not just visual of the painting, but how it is presented, the entire room/ambiance..
<7> those are the biggest regions
<1> NTSC and PAL are two different types of recording
<3> redfish: and I think 1 dimensional art is a lesser artistic expression, as it ignores the other senses
<8> shmeb
<7> Cruise ships, airplanes, have their own region code
<7> Which means DVDs are specially produces for those things
<8> 1 dimensional?
<7> Which is weird.
<7> produced*
<4> FreeTrade: ya, US & Japan use NTSC, thus i got mixed up
<8> . <--- 1 dimension
<3> timur: in terms of senses, yes.
<3> i.e. visual only
<8> you don't like, say, James MacNeil Whistler, or Russian iconography?
<7> Lupine, I disagree
<5> We ordered our player from a vender listed on Jlist
<3> for example, da vinci should have presented it in a manner where he also established the totality of the experience, including any accompanying music, etc
<7> Lupine, I think that the highest form of art is to be able to evoke an emotional response through only one sense
<7> As opposed to a completely sensual bombardment
<7> A painting for instance
<5> They basically just disable the region encoding, from what I understand
<3> herzen: able to, sure
<3> herzen: ah, sensual bombardment would be a misuse, or unskilled use
<9> I think all kinds of art are amazing, even bad art
<8> Herz: I tend to agree with you, though I have seen/heard/ experienced artwork that speaks to several senses
<9> Lupine: not if the point of the art was to cause confusion
<3> katey: that works on stand-alone players.. but many computer software will not play a DVD on a un-regionized drive
<8> I don't necessarily prefer one to another, but I certainly appreciate 'traditional' or as Lup would say 'one-dimensional' art
<3> ocdoc: okay yes
<9> I think the highest form of art is to be able to communicate what you intended to communicate
<5> maybe
<5> I've found that effective art tends to mean different things to everyone
<8> theater, for example, both sight, sound, and movement
<3> in any event, in theory I like DuChamps version of the mona lisa better.. but he ruined it, by being such the ***** :-)
<8> sorry, -both
<1> Man I fubared something..
<5> it speaks to the viewer personally...and each viewer gets something different from it
<6> lupine even with paintings artists were conscious of how the painting would be displayed and that affected what they created. but anyway in music youre generally not concerned with all of that either to any greater degree than with paintings. very few art works really pay attention to the things youre talking about
<8> Oc: not all communications are worthy of being communicated, imo
<5> Or maybe everytime you look at it, it seems to be relevent in a different way
<7> Whats art and whats not?
<3> redfish: one reason why I aethetically abhore the concept of a "musuem" where they rip the picture out of its setting, and just place it on a wall
<6> katey it tends to mean different things to different people because it achieves one single thing, but most people cant articulate it without relating it to other matters
<8> to communicate that "I have an affinity for feces" rendered into an appropriate medium would still be grotesque and crude
<9> Katey: that has to do with good art vs bad art
<5> redfish, sure
<5> OcDoc, yes, of course
<7> thats not art
<9> Timur: true, but it's in the eye of the beholder
<7> well, in terms of medium
<7> Whats art and what snot?
<8> Oc: well, there are standards, even if not all hold to them
<10> snot is art
<7> Paintings, Movies, Music are all art
<9> what I think is good art and what you might think is good art may be different things
<8> Herz: ever heard of 'Immediatism'? I came upon this term in a discussion recently
<7> But a video game that encomp***es music, sound, movement, and static pictures
<9> Timur: I agree
<7> Is that art?
<7> or is it a game?
<5> heh
<9> Timur: but not really standards so much as conventions
<3> heren: your question presupposes a dichromatic solution
<7> is Duck Hunt a form of Art?
<9> if we agree on a convention then it is a standard between us
<1> Wow now its really ****ed up I am going to have to do a system restore i think and go back 24 hours
<8> "Greek philosophers initially felt that aesthetically appealing objects were beautiful in and of themselves. Plato felt that beautiful objects incorporated proportion, harmony and unity among their parts. Similarly in the "Metaphysics" Aristotle found that the universal elements of beauty were order, symmetry, and definiteness."
<1> Actually I think I have a reset point from earlier today
<9> Herzen: both
<7> both what?
<7> both art and not?
<8> Herz: not imo
<5> It's a pretty complicated subject
<5> :)
<9> TImur: true, but not all art fit into those exclusively
<8> it's a creation, but not beautiful
<3> herzen: that someone maybe a game, does not remove the possibility it is art as well.
<5> "good" art generally incorporates good design, good composition, etc
<8> Oc: the Wiki article has a nice summary of the development of the ideas of aesthetics from Greece through Kant/Hegel and to modern times
<5> But then again, it can seek to "break" the rules of what's considered "good"
<11> After reading recent world headlines, my prediction is oil stock prices are going to climb through the roof starting this week
<12> hey
<3> in any event, I just love how so many will comment on a work of art, when they have not personally seen it. rather, they just regurgitate what they have been told.
<3> johan: welcome to 1983
<8> I pretty much don't buy the idea of 'good art' in the postwar/postmodern conception, though I did in some ways enjoy Christo's "The Gates" in Central Park
<13> Johan, with inventories somewhat up amd OPEC maintaining production, how do you come to that comclusion
<7> Art doesn't have to be beautiful does it?
<1> Hmm the drive I changed doesnt work
<1> the drive which I didnt change works
<7> and i've seen some damn fine looking video games
<12> herzen: which game?
<7> I think the distance combat engine for infantry in OpFlash is a work of art
<5> Herzen, depends on who you ask
<7> Well i'm asking you
<3> timur: well, i personally don't like the "modern" concept.. i.e. dada, cubism, etc
<8> Herz: beautiful, not only - but some degree of unity of composition, color, theme is generally ***umed as being important
<9> Timur: I am an artistic omnivore, and although I do agree that most art that I consider "good" is good because it meets the usual standards, there are many exceptions
<5> Herzen, do you find thos things to be works of art because you find a certain beauty in them?
<8> Lup: same. Leroy Neiman and all that
<3> timur: ah, but in alot of "recognized words of art" eschue unity..
<7> Katey-, Depends on how you use the word 'art', people often call things they find very impressive a 'work of art' as a colloqialism for impressive
<3> OcDoc: I always differentiate between whether I personally like a work of art, and if it is generally regarded as being good art
<5> Herzen, sure
<8> Oc: certainly; for example Spalding Grey's monologues were artful, and furthermore used other visual cues (light effect) and sound effects as well to emphasize the words
<9> Lupine: that's fair enough
<5> Herzen, But often, even thought they're using it as an expression, there's some truth to what they're saying.
<8> a great example: the movie 'Swimming to Cambodia', which is one of my favorites
<3> OcDoc: value issues set aside, I'ld rather have Dogs_playing_poker hanging instead of the mona lisa :-)
<5> They see a certain "rightness" or perfection to it
<9> Lupine: heh
<8> even if one doesn't buy his take on everything, I find his presentation interesting, engaging, compelling and believable.
<7> Timur, I would argue that operation flashpoint has a degree of unity of composition, color and certainly theme
<5> That often speaks to concepts of design
<7> Timur, Not as though its not unified
<9> Lupine: well that's the difference between "decoration" and "art"
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