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<0> Georgia, Japan
<0> Denmark
<1> xcept when we fought japan, i suppose
<2> Publius, sending 3 llamas and a donkey doesn't count as ground forces
<0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_Willing <---coalition of the willing
<1> and, you know, since ww2, when japan didnt have a military
<3> don't forget Poland!
<0> Hansard: Japan and Poland sent more troops than your nation
<1> Coalition of the Soundbite
<0> oh yeah
<0> South Korea
<2> Publius, AFTER the invasion
<3> http://www.youforgotpoland.org/mjames/yfp/
<0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coalition_of_the_willing_original.PNG <---- a nice little map
<2> Publius, we sent heaps and pulled them out because we didn't want to occupy..
<0> Hansard: I am talking about the original operation iraqi freedom
<0> the AU sent 450 troops
<3> yeahj
<2> Publius, Aussies mainly sent mine sweeping ships, Special Forces, some cargo planes, some fighter planes
<3> and most of those countries have pulled out now
<3> whats your point
<3> a lot of those gave moral or monetary support
<2> Publius, the troops we sent were Royal SAS
<0> lesse
<0> I was replying to the comment
<2> Publius, they beat your rangers in the last war games by like 3:1
<0> Publius, none of those count.. they didn't send ground troops for the invasion
<0> I got no beef with the AU
<0> chill!
<3> i do!
<3> fosters ****s
<3> lol
<3> and crocodile dundee II was a horrible movie, we demand you take it back
<0> jv: oh yeah. would the UK support it's friend the US, if some despicable plot to destroy its economy came about?
<2> "Australian forces committed to the conflict included include three Royal Australian Navy ships, 500 special forces troops, P-3 Orion patrol and C-130 Hercules transport aircraft, and RAAF 75 Squadron equipped with 14 F/A-18 Hornet fighters"
<0> Hansard: how about Australia
<0> Hansard: would you abandon the US?
<2> We don't have reserves of USD
<0> and purposefully act to criple it
<0> that doesn't mean you have to recognize the coup and change
<0> would you support the US
<0> ?
<1> outback steakhouse ****s
<2> me?
<1> although they did invent the fried onion blossom
<0> yes
<3> i think the US should join the EU
<3> and adopt the euro lol
<2> what would I do?
<0> Hansard: you are a businessman right? would the communisty of businessmen abandon the US?
<0> would the AU government abandon the US?
<2> get some signs and run into Sydney CBD yelling 'Don't sell USD!!!!'
<0> Hansard: No you would not
<2> lol
<0> Australia has been an advocate of freedom
<2> of course not
<2> it's not something you can change
<0> and the freemarket since hell
<0> for a long as time
<0> lol
<0> ***
<0> neither would England
<2> there isn't anything I can do to affect the USD
<0> or Germany
<2> so don't point any fingers at me
<0> Hansard: there would be if somethign ridiculous like
<0> China dumped its bonds
<0> omfg
<0> if CHina did that ROFL
<2> Publius, if I thought that the USD was going to crash I'd be buying gold
<0> the Yuan would DIE
<0> UTTERLY
<4> Hansard: why?
<0> the Chinese economy would implode before the US got near a recession
<0> Hansard: Gold just plummeted
<2> zaw, commodities go up in value when currencies and equities crash
<0> ;)
<1> one reason i love the euro is
<1> when you buy something in europe, they dont play that stupid ****ing $.99 bull**** where it works out to be $1.06
<5> it's coins are two-toned?
<5> occ: lol
<3> china doesnt need the US in the long run....as our economy slumps, then the EU and other nations will just pick up the purchasing slack, then they can dump their bonds
<1> everything is X euros, and maybe a half euro
<0> Our economy is not slumping!
<1> i cant ****ing stand how buying something in the damn us FORCES you to break a stupid dollar, or carry all this change around
<0> what do you mean "as our economy slumps"
<4> Hansard: gold is a standard by which other fiat money systems are measured. what would you do with your gold if the USD collapsed? i don't know anyone who would trade gold for say food or ammunition, etc. where would you go to exchange it for something?
<1> you want a coffee in europe? its ONE EURO
<1> not one oh six oh wait tax blah blah
<3> occ: that's pretty expensive then
<0> occ: tahts because they have VAT taxes
<1> yeah, but its really good coffee ;)
<2> Zaw, you hold gold when currencies and equity markets are crashing
<0> the citizen in reality has no idea how much the government is stealing
<3> taxes arent stealing
<4> Hansard: i understand what talk radio is telling you, i'm just asking you to think rationally.
<0> lol
<3> if i take your wallet, its stealing
<0> sorry
<3> taxes do something for the public good
<3> like, the internet
<1> yah, im sure you pay a whole hell of a lot of tax, publius ;)
<3> for example
<0> I have been reading fairtax
<2> Zaw, 'talk radio'? I'm a financial planner
<0> I udnerstand the necessity for taxes
<0> but the VAT tax is disgusting
<3> we have state sales taxes here
<3> whats the difference
<2> income taxes are worse than sales taxes
<1> the money's gotta come from somewhere
<0> the sales tax is not included
<0> when you see the ticket
<1> thats what it boils down to
<0> and buy it
<4> Hansard: you're not a very good one, then, and recommend what you've been taught through establishment channels to recommend. did they teach you about fiat money systems and fractional reserve banking, and how gold doesn't really "go up" or "go down" but rather is a standard by which fiat currency is compared?
<1> finewe can cut income tax and raise sales tax heavily
<1> you're still gonna pay
<0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax#VAT_criticisms
<2> Zaw, yes.
<2> Zaw, what's your point?
<0> The minimum standard rate of VAT throughout the EU is 15%,
<0> so essentially
<1> zaw learned his financial stuff outside of "establishment channels"...in the underground!
<4> Hansard: so then explain to me exactly what gold would do for you if the USD were to be devalued to a worthless state? who would want it? who would accept it as currency?
<0> the minimum sales tax is 15%?
<5> except gold's valuation does, in fact, go up and down.
<0> bwahahaha
<4> occ_: both channels, actually.
<5> see, that's why you can pay more or less for it in the market.
<4> Timur: gold stays the same, fiat money increases and decreases in value.
<1> i know everyone will crucify me for it, but we really aren't overtaxed in the US
<1> we pay, by far, the lowest taxes of any real country
<5> no, it.. actually doesn't. :)
<6> so?we pay far less for gasoline than most countries also, its still do much
<3> i dunno
<0> occ: did you know that texas and florida are respectively the 10th and 14th largest economies in the world?
<6> we demand more, i mean we're american!
<2> Zaw, ok let's try a little math here for you... if gold is 1 dollar and the dollar crashes and is worth half.. then that bit of gold must be worth 2 dollars..
<3> i think payroll taxes are obscene
<1> hehe
<6> :P
<1> yah, its "too much"
<1> because you're used to it
<4> Timur: i'm not going to debate with someone who has no knowledge of fiat money and gold other than what he's heard on talk radio. believe what you want.
<1> we dont pay **** for gas
<6> occ_ but we're americans we have a birthright to exploit the worlds resources at rock bottom prices
<2> Zaw, you're a ****ing idiot. Go back to school.
<5> I have knowledge of it. Gold isn't absolute. All things vary in value in the marketplace.
<4> Hansard: you know what i'm getting at, or else you're just trolling. lets say the USD is 'worth' nothing.
<3> why is gold even valuable?
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