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Comments:
<0> dont go over grandizing the idealogy that created our country
<1> Worff: well I for one appreciate the luck I had in being born here.
<2> Worff: You're a Texan? Texas was founded because rich white men didn't want to give up their slaves after Mexico outlawed slavery.
<0> publius as do I
<1> tell that to the millions of people who idealize our name as a symbol for freedom
<3> if bush is wrapped around ariiiel sharons pinky then, for consistency reasons we have to make sure he is wrapped around whoever else
<0> but im not blind to why our country was created
<1> our nation is so great because of the great values we were founded upon
<4> I thought the issue of israel was about carving up between israel and palestine to ensure israel stays an ethnically jewish majority democratic state
<1> lol
<0> mrROD im not arguing that about texas heh
<2> Worff: Good.
<1> Hansard: well that is how it essentially started
<1> with the UN divide
<2> Worff: Your politics seem kind of out of place in Texas.
<0> mrrod i have no dilution that the founders of this country and the state I reside in did everything for selfish reasons
<0> mrrod - im like most texans, i wasnt raised here
<2> Worff: As it should be.
<1> there is a difference between cynical motivations and pursuing the goal of individual liberty
<2> Worff: Where are you from?
<3> You can't deny israel. You hve to deny hamas for not going along with easy rules to get themselves a state
<0> rod northern indiana
<4> Publius, well that's what the unilateral separation looks like at the moment.. they are excising through the new borders ethnic palestinian areas to change the demographics of the Israeli electorate
<2> Worff: Gary?
<5> Iran is hell-bent on destroying Zion
<0> rod im white, i wouldnt have survived growign up in gary :P
<1> Hansard: also, Israel doubled their borders twice
<1> I believe they have conceded portions of the west bank back
<1> as of now
<1> as well as the sinai peninsula
<5> Arabs want it all..
<2> J_Walker: So do some Israelis.
<0> exactly
<0> israel is not innocent
<0> not by a long shot
<1> no one claimed they were
<2> Nobody is innocent. Except OJ.
<1> MrRod: *nods*
<6> it's not a question of innocence, you dingbat.
<6> the US isn't innocent. No one is.
<7> timur heya
<3> This joke about arabs only learning from desert life... Arabs know about peace annd they know how to negootiate it with israel
<0> and infact do many of the things we throw rhetoric at others about, like killing civilians indiscriminantly, refusing to sign nuclear nonproliferations
<6> Sting: hey
<1> ah
<2> Timur: Wrong. OJ is innocent.
<5> Israel won the war..they crashed the united arab armies who were hell bent on destroying them
<6> MrRod: well, cept him
<1> Timur: can you straighten me out on territorial concessions here?
<6> JW: howdy
<6> Pub: the Palestinians get whatever's on the other side of the wall, and Gaza.
<6> fence, whatever
<2> Publius: That is, the Palestinians get what the Israelis allow them to have.
<1> Timur: and what is that in relation to the area Israel had after they gave the sinai back to Egypt
<5> Not enough arabs claim that Zion is theirs and they want all of it
<4> MrRod, OJ was only innocent in the criminal trial because of beyond reasonable doubt, on the civil trial he was found guilty on the balance of probabilities.
<1> LOL
<4> lol
<3> war against iran is a true indulgence
<2> Gujiri: Are you looking forward to it?
<3> I want to help people to avoid it
<1> Hansard: Oh yeah. I got a good link for you
<8> gujiri, theyve been wanting to get the us since they formed that dictatorship in 1979. whatre you gonna do just let them nuke you?
<5> Iran will soon have their nukes and there's nothing that the US can do about it
<6> Pub: the Israelis controlled the WB and Gaza even after giving back the Sinai; totally unrelated.
<3> subjazz, I think that is an extreme viewpoint
<6> JW, hey
<5> sup Timur
<1> Timur: ah. I am just trying to figure out the current terroritorial area of Israel in comparison to say...pre 1993
<2> Gujiri: That's not extreme. Remember, to them the US is the Great Satan.
<8> gujiri even my state owned anti-american education taugtfht me iran wants to get at the us
<0> thats not extreme, its been pretty appearant that the iran leadership has hated the US since atleast then
<3> excuse me
<1> MrRod: and Israel is the little Satan
<2> Publius: No, to them Israel runs the US.
<6> Pub: here: http://stopthewall.org/maps/49.shtml
<6> the map's accurate, whatever the views of the site
<3> peace is better than war
<1> Timur: thanks!
<1> I like the title regardless
<1> hahaha
<1> "stopthewall"
<7> *** is better than war
<0> *** is better than peace
<1> ok so that river in the east is the jordan
<5> With a 20% approval rating, and the Iraq and illegal immigration fiasco..Bush has lost all credibility ..there's no way he can sell a war with Iran to the american people..Iran knows this
<1> and the "west bank" is the western side of that river correct?
<0> does jordan play any real role in the middle east, i used to hear a lot about jordan but havent in several years
<8> J_Walker, he doesnt have to. he can just say **** the party and go on in if he pleases
<7> j walker some americans say send troops home they think we wong get hit and they are blind
<1> Worff: King Hussein has always been kind of...peaceful
<1> and realistic
<2> 20%?
<1> I believe he signed a peace treaty in 93?
<0> king hussein was on TNG
<1> LOL
<1> really?
<0> or was it voyager
<0> he was in an ep of one
<9> jordan hates palestinians
<0> yes
<1> Worff: as in the prince at the time...or he was a character?
<10> is Gujiri a terrorist on iRC?
<5> yeah jordan is on zion's side
<9> (even though most of then ARE palestinains)
<11> Hussein was a ham. My dad has a QSL card from him
<0> he was a character, and I think he was the prince at the time, his father was still alive then
<2> QSL?
<6> the King of Jordan doesn't 'hate Palestinians'. 80% or so of his country is Palestinian.
<1> pilgrim: could you translate that for me
<1> lol
<6> he is, however, understandably wary of Palestinian political ambitions
<7> pilgrim hola
<0> his wife is palestinian too I think
<11> Q code in ham lingo is like the 10 code to CBers
<2> Publius: You know what a ham is, right?
<6> Worff: right
<1> ;(
<11> QSL= confirmation of contact
<1> I know
<1> what the food is
<11> hola Sting
<0> his wife is (or atleast was when I saw her on tv years ago) super hot
<11> amateur radio
<3> I heard some bull**** about people here accepting war against the muslim kingdoms but afftter thatt care less abou themselves
<6> anyway, it's 1:24 am.. night
<2> Gujiri: People where?
<1> STING: I'm getting bored with the middle east. it's about time this peace deal came through so we can go har*** those NK sumbitches
<3> soulless people
<0> pub - to take on NK we have to get around china
<5> panini: Gold is down to 676 :[..looks like its going down to 600 soon...I m safe though..I sold everything when it hit 700 last week
<2> Gujiri: Who is soulless?
<1> Worff: Beijing and DC are allies
<1> we have been for a while
<0> though if cure of boredom is your goal, dealing with china would take care of it
<12> John Murtha is a dumb ***
<1> Worff: but
<3> a war against a religion ends up soulless
<2> US_Male didn't sell.
<1> you have a point
<0> pub economic allies
<5> King Abdullah's wife is hot
<13> i farked her
<1> Worff: get this peace deal through the middle east so we can pressuer CHina into pwning NK
<5> Reuters: Jordan's King Abdullah on Wednesday told Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki of his concern about Tehran's hostility to Israel and support for Palestinian militant groups, officials said
<1> is that better?
<14> murtha may be dumb, but not half as dumb as 99% of the retards that try to make fun of him
<2> J_Walker: You also think Hillary Clinton is hot.
<1> haha
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