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<0> Yeah... that's just so cool.
<1> goppp: it's not all jive. it's either unions or taxes, not either/or when it's useful to the standard mantra of a particular political party =P
<2> DS, geez, I had to pull down a twelve pound book to reference that
<2> have a heart
<3> Renea both are wrong, UNION and Taxes
<0> Jett, why didn't you just Google it? :)
<4> Jett, you should buy an almanac
<5> it was p***ed around the time of the Bill of Rights, and was to have been included, but wasn't ratified by the required number of states and didn't have a time-limit for its expiration, like amendments do now
<2> ;)
<3> Renea both are driving capital out of the usa
<5> the last amendment
<1> goppp: what about greed?
<3> Renea it common sense
<2> RockFish, hell, that's what I thought I bought...it weighs twelve pounds
<0> Ah, what about greed?
<3> Renea greed, what greed
<0> Because, you know, greed changes.
<0> It ebbs, it flows...
<3> define greed
<1> goppp: or lack of comp***ion for your fellow man? or loyalty to your country?
<6> antifed: Do you think the USA can ever become a libertarian state? And if yes, will it be a progressive movement or a revolution? Or, do you simply think that a libertarian is an utopia that can never happen?
<0> How about rights?
<4> A 12 pound almanac? geesh, you should go with the paperback version
<3> Renea greed, let about union not cutting down, they are the greedy ones
<3> let speak about that
<7> The way it's looking, it'll probably be a revolution.
<3> a union member getting paid 60 k to sweep floors
<0> Dream on
<3> at gm
<3> he won't cut his lifestyle
<1> goppp: that's greed
<3> Renea and it wrong
<6> goppp: I find it very hard arguing with you, because all your arguments are either anecdotal or purely theoritical...
<1> goppp: but greed also exists at the corporate level
<4> Greed is good, greed works
<2> RockFish, no, of course not, actually this is the Oxford Companion to the US Supreme Court
<8> 0.
<1> rocky: i saw a clip about good greed, rockfeller, etc.
<3> Renea and I bet those coporate levels jobs are easy to get
<0> Define greed before you deploy it in an argument.
<8> 45555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555551
<0> randym, do you have a point here?
<3> Renea yes and thier laws agianst corporate greed
<3> Renea no law against union greed
<8> cat doing it
<3> Renea see the double standard
<6> goppp: there are many laws against union greed - many laws that restrict what unions can and cannot do.
<1> goppp: no, because a company can and does move
<0> Okay. I'll accept almost anything a cat does.
<0> Via a keyboard, that is.
<0> For a short time.
<6> goppp: for example, the taft-hartley act we were speaking of earlier
<3> e-Hernick please, union guys won't get fired for having 15 min break each half or hour
<3> e-Hernick no law to stop him from asking for more money
<1> goppp: trailmobile locked out their workers because they wanted a 5% pay increase in 1996. by 2002 they moved to mexico. these jobs payed 15.00 p/h, locally very good.
<9> Hmm, if China and the US descended into a conflict, what would happen with the almost USD$1 trillion that China has...
<3> only law against unions
<3> is public unions
<10> Renea: Oh my God you live in Mattoon?
<3> I am speaking of private unions
<9> Can America nullify it? Or would the only way be through hyperinflation? heh
<3> in private sector
<1> discotaco: gahhhh where are you from?
<11> roy: The US can't do anything to it, really.
<9> Can China use that money as a weapon?
<11> The consitution garuntees the full credit of the US, remember?
<10> My God, I lived in that ***crack of a town for about 10 months. Never was I so happy as when that ****-pit was in my rear-view mirror for good.
<9> It's a mind boggling amount of money.
<11> Kinda. If they dump it, it wouldn't be worth much.
<1> discotaco: lol, you know it!
<3> e-Hernick union are good, yes most are but let look at the afl/cio
<3> never happy
<6> goppp: can you propose a specific restriction on unions you'd like to see made into law?
<3> teamster neer happy
<4> I've seen some horrible union contracts in my time , like forcing the company to have 4 employees doing a job that one could do, but I have a hard time feeling real sorry for a company that would sign such a foolish deal
<10> Just when I thought it couldn't get worse than living in Charleston... I had to prove myself wrong.
<3> Renea hmm, not allowing them to go on strike
<11> roy: Essentally, China could hold down inflation simply by buying more of our currency.
<3> and if they do, allowing a company to hire none union labour to replace union labour
<6> goppp: corporate lobbyists are never happy either. always lobbying. corporations are always putting ads and press releases, trying to change our minds..
<3> not allowing foolish rasises for sweeping the floor or mopiing the ground
<2> Now that it's up, I want to warn any prospective buyers of "The Oxford Companion to the US Supreme Court" that its reference to "Bush v. Gore" is short and states that the decision was 5/4. Anyone who was paying attention knows that the initial decision to abrogate the Florida Court's ruling was 7/2. The 5/4 myth is strictly left-wing.
<3> or having union breaks that take 3 hours
<6> goppp: you believe that unions shouldn't have the right to negotiate agreements freely with their employers?
<3> cutting on cost, and optimiing
<3> in my opnion is key to a productive bussiness
<11> roy: The US produces most of its weapons domestically.
<0> Jett, repetition of the false recreates reality, to the leftist
<1> goppp: technically, the company locked out the employees before they had a chance to ratify a strike vote... then hired sca... replacement workers.
<3> e-Hernick I belive the agreements should be common sense
<3> and fair
<6> a productive business is important, but what about the workers?
<3> for both parties
<11> China holding our currency can't have a direct impact on that. It'd be a broader, economic problem.
<11> It'd be more likely that China would just wait until the war's over.
<2> DS, yes as we are well accustomed, but this was an expensive book!
<3> e-Hernick what about them, do you think some should get paid 60 k for 3 hour union break
<3> and mopping
<6> goppp: well, it's up to the parties to draw up a fair and balanced common sense agreement then.. how can government intervene?
<2> actually, most of the book is useful and trustworthy
<0> Jett, and that's the quality of scholarship in it? ;)
<11> gopp: Since no one gets that.... *shrug*
<3> goverment should not
<6> would you have a law that said "no mopper may be paid more than x$ a year"
<3> never
<3> goverment has no right
<6> Well then, how do you deal with the unions?
<3> goverment should not fore emoployee to keep union labour
<12> -
<2> DS, that's the prevailing opinion among the elite left.
<11> gopp: They don't.
<3> Astrodog unless it legal contract
<6> goppp: if unions don't have special legal protection, why should corporations have special legal protection?
<3> and those contracts should be illegal
<0> Just a warning: gopp is a tar baby if you let him be.
<2> I heard Tom Borkaw proclaim it the evening of the 12th.
<13> Abusive Domain or User
<4> Gop, well if it's a legal contract they should be held to it
<3> any contract that says that companies can't hire none union labour during a strike is wrong
<3> like in nyc, subway strike
<6> goppp: so you want to make laws that should restrict the right of unions to negotiate agreements freely ?
<4> Gop, if the workers are on strike they have no contract
<3> Rockfish1 legally why then nyc was not able to hire
<3> none union labour
<11> gopp: They signed a contract.
<11> That was kinda stupid of them, I think.
<4> Rock, I would guess because the city was stupid enough to p*** a law preventing them from doing so
<2> Except for Bill Salmon's book, "At Any Cost," I've never heard any source state that Bush v. Gore was anything except 5/4.
<2> It's urban myth.
<3> and the city should of just fired them
<0> Jett, kind of like "impeached for a blow job"?
<3> the fine didn't even work
<2> DS, precisely.
<6> goppp: the reagan solution?
<0> And another favorite, "Gore won all the recounts."
<3> e-Hernick yepe
<2> illegal recounts
<3> bloomberg tried it once already
<4> God, NYC firing all its transit employees, I'd like to see that
<3> and it worked
<0> Distinguish between private and public unions.
<3> Rockfish1 not all, using a lottery system
<3> see how fast they would go back to work
<3> but the mta nor the gov of nyc has balls
<0> It is illegal for most public unions (all, possibly) to strike, and a provision of such contracts is that the members may be fired if they do strike.
<6> goppp: is the NYC transit system public or private?
<14> ds: although I find very view people who actually think clinton was impeached for getting head (they know and admit he lied under oath), The "Gore won all teh recounts" is not at all obviously true or false to the average joe. The clinton thing was just obvious, everyone knows what happened or they didn't watch the news.
<4> Gop, that doesn't sound legal, firing people on the basis of a lottery
<14> but the gore thing
<14> this is what the media has for you
<3> only bloomberg but he has no right to interventing in mta politics
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