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<0> Lith: smackdown
<0> you remind me of the computer geeks on #israel :D
<1> The CPU will not let you execute code in that area it has partitioned off unless you override it, it sends out a message this is a recovery partititon are you sure you want to alter it ?
<2> no
<0> (that's a compliment, btw)
<3> and only ones designed to exploit an unchecked buffer improperly using strpy()
<2> that's not what DEP does
<1> It will execute the code you installed in it.
<1> your virus wont execute in there.
<1> Not unless you installed it in there
<2> who said anything about using a virus
<4> anyone here seen 'dead like me'
<2> I'm saying that you can't lock down a standalone windows box
<1> What are you going to use Mr nerd ?
<5> Timur: hmmm... yea he does seem kinda like em lol
<6> Timur, did you see the newer pics of the house we just moved into?
<1> Lock down ?
<3> Fr33Trade: do you know what a heap is?
<2> not without some real security software
<1> Who said lock down ?
<3> Fr33Trade: you dont install anything on the heap
<2> Fr33Trade: if I was there right now, I could sit down, and in a matter of maybe 20 minutes have access to all your data
<3> it is an automatically allocated memory space
<1> I said you cant destroy my core OS, you can wipe out my system settings, and my No protected partitions
<2> unless you're using something a little stronger than MS security
<2> why not?
<2> I can format your HD
<2> your OS would be gone
<7> nomex: well, I am not, but you couldn't do anything :-)
<3> Timur: tks btw
<1> Its Obviously not fail proof but its a damn good start in the area of hardware/software security which is built into the CPU and the OS
<2> lupine: I could bring along my 50 lb drive degausser :)
<3> good lord
<0> Lith: yw! come debate there sometime, they'll give you a run for your money - if they're in that mode
<8> you keep your evil magnets away from my server room.
<0> I couldn't begin to understand it all
<5> nomazda: oooooh
<1> Its better than any software protection alone.
<7> nomex: hey now, if you want to bring out the "big guns".. i'll borrow a capacitive-discharge magnetizer. ~2000volts @ ~50k-amperes :-)
<4> Fr33Trade, which software?
<5> Nomex: oooh have one of those electromagnets?
<1> Although you can run it alone, but its best if it works with the cpu together.
<2> yeah
<2> it's an actual machine though
<3> Fr33Trade: DEP will protect you from 2 things: 1) internet worms, which wont bother you if you have a firewall in the first place 2) someone gaining administrative privilages from a limited account using a similar exploit
<2> intensity settings included
<7> Nomex: so powerful, if you put a bloody steak in it, and zap it.. you get a white-steak :-)
<1> I accidently tried running a program in the wrong partition and it wouldnt
<1> I changed the drive letter and it was fine.
<3> rofl
<4> the best protection against viruses and worms can never be software
<3> Fr33Trade: thats not what DEP does
<1> Lithium ROFL ?
<3> see above
<3> and stop spreading false info
<2> the best protection against viruses and worms is to unplug your computer and put it in a closet
<1> You cant run any script in it, not even explorer.exe
<4> Nomex: that or have half a brain
<3> Fr33Trade: do you KNOW what the heap is?
<1> You have to literally turn it off to run it and then turn it back on.
<3> omfg
<1> Lithium, Do you know who was president in 1959
<1> without thinking
<3> Fr33Trade: are we discussing presidents in 1959?
<0> Ike
<1> or 1974
<0> Ford
<2> nixon
<1> Are you lithium ?
<3> wtf does it have to do with DEP?
<8> for those who care; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heap_%28data_structure%29
<6> nixon
<1> Has to do with your smart ****ing ***
<4> haha
<2> Fr33Trade: I and probably lithium work in IT
<2> you're a contractor I think
<3> exactly
<2> why would you enter into a debate about tech
<3> and im a CS major
<5> people say i'm like house, except without the whole vicodin addiction
<3> and what you're saying makes no sense
<8> RobVanDam: House is a good role model.
<6> who is House?
<8> atheist, logical, jaded... :)
<1> Lithium, I know a guy who created a lot of the **** you study. And hes still a consultant for computer Science majors who work in industry when they cant figure it out.
<5> Libertine: yes he is
<8> and he seems ok with the drugs :
<3> Fr33Trade: and?
<3> i know a guy too
<3> many guys
<1> Hes the guy they call when linux tech support for corporate cant fix it or microsoft or ibm..
<9> ***
<3> Fr33Trade: your backup for what you're saying is that you know a guy?
<5> I know a guy, down by the river
<2> I know a guy who helped design certain google systems, but that doesn't mean I know **** about it
<10> The primary benefit of DEP is that it helps prevent code execution from data pages, such as the default heap pages, various stack pages, and memory pool pages. Typically, code is not executed from the default heap and the stack. Hardware-enforced DEP detects code that is running from these locations and raises an exception when execution occurs. If the exception is unhandled, the process will be stopped. Execution of code from protecte
<1> Lithium Computer were practically invented here and in m***achusettes, so the point is dont always ack like a know it all and thnk your better than people cause you know more about computers. I dont act that way because I know more about law, pcyhology, Politics, history, And 10,000, other topics.
<8> the sympathy angle.. i like it.
<3> Fr33Trade: heap, stack, and related things like DEP are the basic concepts of CS. Yet, you're arguing about them without having any idea what they really are
<1> I guess my point is because obviously I am tired and my allergies are driving me nuts dont be smart*** every ****ing day and over rate yourself, have a little humility
<11> Lithium-, are you a UNIX expert?
<3> Fr33Trade: i dont talk about subjects i have no clue about with absolute authority, and certainly dont argue with those whose field it is
<11> By chance?
<3> TheTailor: i know *some* linux, i mostly work with windows systems
<1> I prove people wrong all the time I dont make laugh at them or make them feel like idiots.
<0> that's a point.. take some antihistamine
<11> Lithium-, ahh
<1> You know DEP is worth something.
<1> You know it is better than not having it.
<12> PHILADELPHIA - A street in a Paris suburb has been named in honor of Mumia Abu-Jamal, who was convicted of the 1981 murder of a Philadelphia police officer. "In France, they see him as a towering figure," said Suzanne Ross, co-chair of the Free Mumia Coalition of New York City, who was part of an April 29 ceremony to dedicate the Rue Mumia Abu-Jamal in the city of St. Denis.
<1> You know its not a panacea there are not
<1> non
<0> Pickle: old news. :)
<1> none
<12> There you go, leftists, move to France. Your horse**** is mainstreamed there.
<1> IM not saying its a panacea
<0> I lived aroudn the corner from where Officer Daniel Faulkner was shot & killed
<3> Fr33Trade: i laugh at people when they pretend to be experts in something they're not, sorry. and while DEP might be useful, it is pretty much irrelevant if you have a decent firewall or a basic router
<1> Im saying its an advancement in computer security the aim eventually is to integrate hardware and software for security and you are right I dont know **** about it, other than in laymans terms.
<2> it's not an advancement, it's MS finally implementing it
<0> Lith: I do the same with history.. bit of a character flaw, perhaps, but there it is
<1> But when other experts tell me it does things and people scoff and act like it doesnt do anything I think that has more to do with OS wars which in my opinion are dumb because from a marketing point of view every os has clients its best for.
<1> Oh
<1> Its not an advancement its then finally implementing it...
<13> Fr33Trade causes cancer!
<13> And by that I mean NAFTA.
<1> Its like Oh, Its not an advancement in border security they are just implementing, it.. You cant have an advancement without implimentation.
<8> France is a socialist pit..
<2> Fr33Trade: other OSes included it first, so it's hardly an advancement
<3> When we first learned about the heap and the stack and the execute bit, i asked my teacher why doesnt the CPU just check for it before executing any code for it. He was confused because he didnt know why. Well thats exactly what DEP does. it is just a hardware IF statement checking for the execute bit for whatever part of memory it is about to execute
<2> it's an advancement for windows
<1> All the techology in the world and this is near the beggining of hardware software integration at least for MSFT.. It is an advancement, its not bullet proof.
<1> Exactly my point
<1> Its an advancement for windows. and in some ways for computing period.
<8> man.. nobody seems to like the Da Vinci Code film... catholics, abinos, not even the French...
<2> buffer overflows were ultra rare for windows as it was
<1> this is a implementation by intel and msft they have worked on for a couple years.
<3> Nomex: except for the all the IIS exploits and the msblast one
<3> Nomex: as well as the mssql one
<14> Where has Rebec been?
<2> the IIS ones weren't overflows were they?
<3> Nomex: i think they were, it was a long*** string
<1> The thing is to me the layman its cook, its probably lke linux did a long time, seperated its core kernels from its other system whats the term. well user configurations.
<3> my httpd logs kept getting NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN and etc
<14> Where has Rebec been? :(
<2> yeah, they were
<2> my bad
<8> Fr33: kernel; signular - not plural.
<3> Although since then MS included a firewall in SP2, so thats no longer a problem
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