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<0> its all XP Pro
<1> pickle: well, media edition is great if you want that functionality
<2> pickle: please name the differences between pro and home
<3> but then I am still a IPX fan
<4> Nomex: Home's networking functionality is severely gimped.
<5> xpPro has naked pictures of Steve Jobs as easter eggs
<3> and I have a full Banyan VINES set including dongles
<2> no it isn't
<2> you just can't join it to a domain
<2> which 99% of home users don't do anyways
<0> I have a copy of Netware 4 around here somewhere
<4> Nomex: You can't do a lot more than that.
<1> yea, I thought the netowrking was lack of domain
<3> XPPro is what cost Balmer the last of his hair.... he bet it would be better then ME
<6> Pro has seamless encryption home doesnt, Pro has a hell of a lot more than home.. A hell of a lot more.
<2> sure, you can't ***ign group policy or use EFS either
<2> stuff 99% of home users don't do
<4> Nomex: These are not minor issues.
<3> Home sux that is the long and short of it
<2> sure they are, unless you're a business
<0> but it was all peer to peer win9x ****, and it ran great. printers worked, everything was fine, migrate to XP and switches and 100 meg network, and its just junk
<6> And if you get media edition 2005 (not 2004) it is Pro and extras.
<2> 2005 is not pro
<3> the networking on home is enough to make one weep
<2> 2001 and 2003 are
<2> well, I guess 2k3 is just an upgrade
<4> Nomex: Or someone who wants to limit access to your PC for whatever other reason, which LOTS of home users might want to do if they could.
<6> its the best OS you can buy from windows is xp media edition 2005
<3> Free where did you get it? I have never heard of it released as a package
<6> For a desktop
<6> Pilgrim its just come out in 3005..
<1> Well, I have only used XP home on a few laptops.. but only the lack of Domains affected me.
<6> er 2005
<7> FT, do you think the media is heavily liberal and anti-Bush?
<6> Ive used home and pro, and i hate home
<1> pickle: eh? there are limited user access on XP Home
<3> ah. well I recall for the lonngest you could only get it OEM
<2> pickle: I'm not saying group policy is a bad thing, I'm just saying it's moot 99% of the time
<1> pil: well, OEM packaging..
<2> and saying home is bad because of it is wrong
<4> Lupine: Home lets you allow access or not. That's the extent of your ability to set policy.
<2> because for 99% of home users, it doesn't matter
<6> There are a lot of things which you cant exactly categorize that are different.
<3> Lupien unless you had access, you needed to buy the Box to get the box
<8> some, and it also depends how good one is at categorization. :)
<6> My allergies are killing me..
<2> Fr33Trade: no there isn't
<2> believe me
<6> I was up in some area where all the pollen was wrong today.
<5> anyone ever see this? Its called "Microsoft's next generation iPod" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeXAcwriid0
<3> AD support full net capabilites, the ability to set group policies and more
<6> Nomex, I have windows home, WIndows XP pro and windows XP mediate edition all 3 right now.. I know
<2> both of which are inconsequential for most home users
<2> as I keep saying
<2> Fr33Trade: and you're using pro on a domain?
<6> For most people who use a computer like a mac, never want to do anything with it other than collect email and make a web site on my space, home is fine.
<2> you have group policy configured? you're using encrypted folders?
<6> IM using encyrpted folders
<1> wait.. i've seen folder/user encrypted folders in XPhome
<9> lol
<9> Your folders aren'y encrypted if you use windows
<2> it's "make folders private" in xp home
<9> they're "P***word Protected"
<1> america: eh? NTFS encryption
<6> its seamless here but if you hack in somehow and can download my code you wont be able to unecrypt it. Its seamless on your box, if you have people in your house who are going to get your credit card information if they can log in they can, but windows xp now wont even let you access files without a p***word in disk boot mode.
<2> lupine: EFS isn't included with xp home
<2> Fr33Trade: it's breakable encryption
<9> NTFS != encryption
<6> And I have both hardware and software, Whats its called.. DEP ? I forget my eyes are on fire right now.
<3> take a file and split it into 30mb rars, zip each rar, then stuffit on a Mac, then shrinkit in ProDOS on an Apple IIgs, now store them on a UFS formated CD
<6> You cant execute a script or a program in my operating system parititon which is 4 gigs.
<2> why not?
<3> no encryption nbut YOU try and figure it out!
<9> You can load the raw partition in linux and have access to all of your files.
<3> a >4gb zip is unreadable in XP
<2> pilgrim`: better re-read those last few lines :)
<10> use disk encryption
<10> not file/"folder" encryption
<10> encrypt the entire partition :P
<1> bmc: well, that is nice except when you have multiple users on the same computer :P
<10> wont matter
<3> Nomex I zipped a bunch of vids to 1 file, deleted the vids, then after much frustration ended up deleting the useless zipp
<11> hrm.. house is on
<2> Fr33Trade: let's just do a hypothetical... I steal your computer, because I want your files which are encrypted. I first boot into knoppix and use my p***word recovery prog to change your user p***word, so encryption recovery is maintained
<12> ncis was interesting
<6> 4gb protects your core operating system, all your settings are in C:windows, where as your core Operating system is in E:windows and you have 2 windows/system32
<3> and I attempted to unzip that ****er using every util on PC/XP, PX/Linux, Mac/OSX
<2> I then blank out all the group policy that might be enabled with a registry file
<1> house does more oxycotin than rush did
<6> How much did Rush do ?
<11> i love knoppix..
<2> there is no way to secure a standalone windows box with nothing but windows default security stuff
<11> i keep a knoppix mini-cd in my wallet.. you never know.
<3> Nomex true
<3> I have it too, it does naughty things ;)
<3> I also havea schmoo CD
<3> bbiab
<2> my line of work pretty much means once the computer reaches me, any data is expendable
<2> :)
<2> I'm sick of fixing people's machines
<2> format -> reinstall
<11> i picked up a 4gig usb drive recently.. solid state.. it holds every bit of code ive ever written, every document i've written.. and all my pr0n :)
<6> You cant protect your data because you can install a nomex virus but the virus cant touch your core operating system.
<2> who told you about this core operating system stuff?
<2> because 4 gigs leaves tons of room to modify everything
<6> You also put other core programs that you have confidence were secure and install them in protected areas too.
<2> hell, if there was 0 bytes free on the drive you could still screw with stuff
<6> But then when you try to execute a file which is designed to change your OS files, it cant execute
<11> so long as the filesystem is not readonly, you can fsck with it.
<6> the partition is inaccessible
<2> why not?
<2> you loaded windows
<2> so apparently it is accessible
<6> Its not a bullet proof system but portions of the system are bullet proof.
<2> processes are accessing it right now
<6> those portions which are good code which you decide to protect.
<6> Nothing else can execute in that partition
<13> better way to protect your OS....
<13> use a user account
<2> Fr33Trade: the fact that you're on here chatting with us is proof otherwise
<6> Its a hardware/software combination
<2> what hardware?
<2> got a link?
<6> you can also do it just with software but the best is when you have the chip and the software protection
<6> Sure I have links
<1> nomex: if you are close enough to access my hardware, i'm close enough to shoot you :-)
<6> One second
<11> heh.. RNC official going to PMitA federal prison... http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/16/former_gop_official_to_be_sentenced_on_phone_jamming_charges/
<2> lupine: and that is the best data protection :)
<2> 50 caliber asprin
<12> best data protection -- have more than one puter -- :)
<11> data protection = data redundency.
<6> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875352/en-us?FR=1&PA=1&SD=HSCH
<11> data security = data unavailibility ;)
<6> Data Execution Prevention (DEP) is a set of hardware and software technologies that perform additional checks on memory to help prevent malicious code from running on a system. In Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) and Microsoft Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, DEP is enforced by hardware and by software.
<6> The primary benefit of DEP is to help prevent code execution from data pages. Typically, code is not executed from the default heap and the stack. Hardware-enforced DEP detects code that is running from these locations and raises an exception when execution occurs. Software-enforced DEP can help prevent malicious code from taking advantage of exception-handling mechanisms in Windows.
<2> Fr33Trade: ok, that's for buffer overflows and process hooks
<2> now what's stopping me from just sitting down and running a program?
<2> nothing.
<14> DEP prevent buffer overflow exploits, plain and simple
<2> yep
<6> It protects very specific things. Like your core OS
<6> or a CORE program you install
<15> only if the WTC had DEP running, the 9/11 conspiracy wouldn't happen.
<2> only from a remote attack
<14> Fr33Trade no
<6> It doesnt protect your data you better back it up
<14> stop talking like you understand what you're saying
<14> it protects from very specific types of viruses pretty much, mainly worms
<8> Lith: smackdown
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