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<0> Amazing how one organization has so much influence which is contrary to public opinion and yet can slow down or stop construction of new generation plants.
<1> they will just blame it on lead pipes again....
<2> Blaekmon: eeew I don't think I want to know
<2> hey
<0> Well In some areas of the world they dont value life as much as we do.
<1> Free not with Mugabe providing a shining moral example
<3> I think its because people don't really start caring about the environment until its a new plant or landfill goin up in their own backyard
<0> I saw a movie which justified infanticide in Indian tribes because the mother and father could only protect 2 children.
<0> Put 2 on a horse 1 in front of each and escape danger
<3> FreeTrade late term abortion
<3> very late
<3> hehe
<0> or just physically grab one each.
<0> Yep.
<3> the politically correct termanology is post-term abortion
<3> not infanticide :)
<0> hehehe
<1> Free the biological propensity of humans to have multiple childern is due to the fact that 70% of the young die. That is neolithic fact. Unfortunately, man did a tech thing to that and we are now overpopulated
<4> free i say silver soon will be up in 2 months over 15
<5> wiretapp, yes, the inaccurate spin about what is really happening.
<0> Even though I am pro choice early in the pregnancy the culture of death on the left disturbs me.
<1> STING I have watched gold and it is kind of scary
<0> Stringray, Oil has been falling.
<1> I have a bit of the stuff too
<0> Er Gold
<6> "culture of death" ?
<3> I don't think you can attribute infanticide in India to the culture of the left
<1> what is gold today? it has hovered at 550 for a while
<4> free not for long
<0> Yeah the culture of death with infanticide and geriatrcide
<0> tricide
<6> really
<6> hmm
<0> Really
<6> your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter
<1> the dollar is worth squat
<0> Ive seen very late term abortions where the baby was viable outside the womh
<6> :>
<2> indians kill the old? didn't know that
<0> with no defects and no problems.
<0> I didnt say indians did I ?
<2> FreeTrade: not you..... someone else
<0> I was referring specifically to children
<2> FreeTrade: wiretapp
<4> i am pro choice pro for abortions for liberals anti against conservatives
<0> This was a leftwing film which made it look comp***ionate to kill a 3rd child.
<2> wow
<2> who directed it?
<0> Stingray haha
<6> what was the name of this this film?
<6> who published it?
<1> I am pro-MYOB
<7> hi freetrade
<4> free heheh
<1> Trionnis it was called Break Backs Mounting. it was about limiting sheep cross-breeding
<0> I dont rememeber, anyone remember the movie about the Catholic church trying to covert south American Indians and they killed all but two children per couple ? It was probably more popular on the Independent Film Circuit than the popular film circuit.
<0> One Catholic Jesuit went against the church in the movie.
<1> Free recent?
<0> No this is 10 years old
<6> I've seen many indie films
<0> or moew.
<0> more
<6> imdb shoud help I'd think
<1> thats hokum btw; the chruch needed do nothing; disease decimated the pop
<0> Pro Choice first 3 months. After that adoption or keep it.
<0> Well this theme was about conversion.
<6> isn't it always?
<5> 3 months is to long, 6 weeks
<0> Now always. but often
<1> my actual morality is based strictly on my own personal sense of ethics. ie, if I SIRED the kid, that fetus is sacred. I have a personal attachment to my genes. OTOH; if this is the bi-blow of some one else, I really have NO opinion
<6> more often than not, heh
<1> personally I feel MY aproach is far more ethical
<0> 3 months gives noone an excuse, ok yeah I know there are irregularities where women still have periods after being pregnant a couple months sometimes, But there is an unusual pattern almost always.
<3> you said Indian tribes
<0> They should have pregnancy checks.
<6> I find it somewhat odd that the christian religions are so insecure in their faith that they feel the need to convince everyone that they're right. seems to me that true faith wouldn't require everyone else to agree with you
<0> Pilgrim, I hear you.
<6> oh wait, wrong channel, heh
<3> I dont think there is a magic amount of time you can set (3 months) that changes the ethical considerations of abortion
<6> :)
<0> I protect mine.
<3> if u had scientific proof about the suffering maybe
<8> Trionnis, Christians may be insecure in their faith and feel that they need to convince everyone that they're right
<0> If Democrats want to abort, who am I to try to stop them.
<0> ;)
<8> Trionnis, but atleast they don't want to behead everyone who they think is wrong
<6> hmm, I seem to recall a lot of that happening though
<2> Herzen: they don't? see the spanish inquisition
<8> Yes, 400+ years ago
<0> There is sceintific proof that babies feel pain early on in development of the fetus
<8> not... today
<6> ah, so the others just aren't as advanced then?
<7> there was no beheading in the inquisition , and people really dont understand the inquisition, it was primarily run by the state and less than 1% were convicted of anything
<8> one could argue that
<3> FreeTrade there are recent studies that show that that comes much later in pregnancy than 3 months
<6> ah
<6> hm
<1> Alphonso Caso, late curator of the Dept of antiquities Univ of Mexico DF, and, author of several books on the Meso-American culture (and a celebrated anthropologist; well worht reading) once estimated the population of the Plateu of Mexico and Ouaxacan Valley at the time of Cortez at between 50-60 million
<0> TT 8 weeks make more sense developmentally for fetus's.
<0> But I am allowing an extra 4 weeks for women who havent got the clue yet.
<0> TT's 8 weeks
<5> FT, actually, if you know you don't want to get pregnant, take the morning after pill, simple.
<2> pilgrim`: and the current population?
<0> TT I agree.
<0> I am in support of the morning after pill.
<3> so if the fetus feels pain at 3 months, and also at 4 or 5 months, what is the ethical differnce?
<0> How many people have used birth control ?
<5> FT, I see no reason to wait at all, why sould a woman wait to see if she's pregnant to make the decision about an abortion?
<0> Prescription oral birth control ?
<0> You or your partner ?
<5> FT, they know they don't want the kid, take the pill the next morning.
<6> well, I guess oral kinda *is* a form of it
<0> Soemtimes the pill works as an aborticide, sometimes as a prophlactic..
<6> :>
<3> I've had a partner use the morning after pill before
<9> pilgrim uses his personality as his birth control...
<0> So most of us have probably has a 48 hour abortion.
<0> has = had
<10> Mrs. Cartman, your son is in what we doctors call the fortieth trimester. I'm afraid it's a little too late for that.
<3> FreeTrade the thing is, in only 48 hours, you cannot even know if a baby was ever conceived
<9> FT: what is also interesting is, is recent medical evidence that many women initially do have twins, but one is re-absorbed within the first month or so
<1> Caso based estimates on irrigation canals, and airable land
<3> so you don't really know if the morning after pill is preventing the baby or not
<5> wiretapp, but you can know wone won't be produced, if you take the morning after pill.
<0> lupine, I was not aware of that
<7> reabsorbing fetuses is fun
<11> LMAO
<9> FT: yea, saw a brief write up in new scientist a few months back
<0> But ***ually active women many have had spontaneous abortions (Natural ones) that they never knew about.
<9> but women do not regularly get sonograms/ultrasounds regularly, so they rarely catch it
<9> ugh.. skip the second regularly :-)
<3> Taking on one of the most highly charged questions in the abortion debate, a team of doctors has concluded that fetuses probably cannot feel pain in the first six months of gestation and therefore do not need anesthesia during abortions.
<3> Their report, being published Wednesday in The Journal of the American Medical ***ociation, is based on a review of several hundred scientific papers, and it says that nerve connections in the brain are unlikely to have developed enough for the fetus to feel pain before 29 weeks.
<0> I gave the best report in the time period I gave it to a cl*** on Birth control worldwide. It should of got an A+ Teacher turned Red and gave me a D
<3> that was the recent report I spoke of
<0> Even though everything I presented was factual.
<0> It was a history of birth control..
<10> i think women and men should both have to give written consent and have everything notarized, or the "baby" should be automatically aborted
<3> lol
<10> would be a much better world
<6> so move to China
<3> interesting Null
<3> one thing that is definatley true is this planet is overpopulated
<0> No there is recent proof they feel pain around 12 weeks I believe.
<0> and it only gets worse with more time.
<3> FreeTrade show link
<3> cause this study says 6 months
<0> Dotn have a link
<3> here is my link
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