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<0> SURE THING! :)
<1> the ignorance is fantasitc,, don't they teach you anything is schools in USA nowdays, other than to consume?
<2> Its Construction steel you idiot
<3> Anyone seen "American Haunting" yet?
<1> lol!
<0> Construction isn't an alloy, idiot.
<0> The term alloy is almost always used incorrectly these days, especially amongst bicyclists. They use the term to mean aluminum. What the term alloy really means is a mixture of metals, any kind of metals. Almost all metal used today is a mixture and therefore an alloy.
<2> children shall not play here!
<2> Experience talks and bull**** walks
<2> the alloy is The same they make skyscrapers out of. Ipresume he means the iron to other ratio
<2> All steel has iron in it
<4> sandwo...nice comment
<2> its mixed with other material and there are all kinds of forumulas for quality steel, but mine is standard skycraper steel..
<5> man i feel like a super large combo
<5> lots of fat and stuff
<6> spacehog: big and greasy?
<5> :D~~~~
<5> you got it jizzmo
<1> Cryolas: ? :)
<7> im getting sick of spacehog
<7> :/
<2> You can get down to micrscopic checks and density checks which is why they used sonograms on our welds to make sure you had 100% penetration
<2> I didnt weld it
<1> I wonder why the user deadpigeo was kicked, he was merely prsenting his arguments...
<8> penetration... don't talk dirty
<6> but freetrade
<8> sandwo, irc is not a democracy. anyone can be kicked at any time for nay or no reason at all
<6> freetrade...
<6> why did the defense secretary order the pentagon lawn sanded over????????????????
<1> FEMA: yes, that's true...
<6> WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO HIDE?
<2> A full penetration weld isbasically where you cut a 45degree back angle which we did not the welder, and the piece he joings has the same backangle and they slowly weld it to full penetration so when you are done its a moment fram which is basically 3 pieces of steel or more which become ONE piece of steel.
<2> YOu are making steel from 3pieces into 1 piece
<8> either jet fuel or residue from a high explosive.
<6> see? freetrade doesn't know
<1> Fr33Trade: what if government confessed that they were involved in what happened? would you still support them?
<2> But seismic research makes me skeptical of these welds because whenseismic force is applied itmust shake or break. and in Northridge it broke.
<6> sandwo: what if rain suddenly started falling up?
<2> SO I prefer mechanical connectors which are basically just graded bolts and angle irons of like 1/2" or whatever engineered thickness
<1> jismo: i guess you made a good point
<6> sandwo: what if you had basic sense?
<2> that way it allows minimal vibration and hence release ofenergy from the structure.
<1> jismo: huh?
<6> what?
<1> "basic sense"?
<1> nevermind...
<9> I worked my way through college in a steel mill. structural steel is generally mild steel 1020 to 1050
<10> /timer 250 2 /notice deadpigeo you lost! get over it!
<10> haha
<9> the high carbon steel is also know as cold rolled steel and it is used for machinery and tools
<2> The concepts of engineering involved in building construction is either the box which moves as one peice, typical of woodl framed 1-2story homes. or the other idea is the release ofenergy at the foundation to allow movement andthenallow minimalmovement in the structure so itreleases the energy instead of absorbing it, Skyscrapers release energy because they are like an antenna which moves and sways,. So a 20 story building in an
<7> man, the burger im gonna eat will be so big
<7> they will hand me a cow bell
<2> There is another engineering technique which is counter balancing but thats way to technical andmainly used in Japan.
<2> Scottfree right, and what is steels worst property if you want to destroy it?
<9> vibration
<2> Well there are 2 easy ways to cause steel failure.
<2> Well more direct
<9> metal fatique
<2> Yes from what?
<2> Whats a major cause of metal fatigue
<2> or something which can cause it almost instantaneously
<9> repeated bending
<2> other than load
<2> Extreme heat is what I was thinging abotu
<2> its also easy to cut through which certain tools
<9> extreme heat works but it can also used in the tempering process.
<11> lets have anarchist vs communist debate!
<2> Yes but in a building, that you want to fail, A very good way to cause failure is to introduce extreme heat which will melt the steel easily if it can get past the fireproofing applied to the steel, its not part of the steel
<6> Fr33Trade: that's not fatigue. you're thinking of creep
<9> my father was an engineer and had a degree in metallurgy. I just had a dirty dangerous job in the mill.
<2> The point is some conspiracy nut was arguing that fire from the aircraft which hit the wtc was not the cause of the steel failure.
<2> Nonsense.
<2> I read engineering journals.
<6> but freetrade...
<2> they didntdebate what teh cause was
<6> WHY did the DEFENSE SECRETARY order the PENTAGON LAWN sanded over??????????????????????????????//
<2> they debating things like whether or not Asbestos which was outlawed before they built the top floors would of prevented it.
<12> Fr33Trade: for the 3rd, time the original debate was about wtc 7
<2> Asbestos Might hane prevented the collapse, but most engineers agreed that not even asbestos with those temperatures could of saved it.
<13> I was 16 or 17 before I knew the religious significance of Easter.
<2> wtc7 ?!@?
<2> I only thought there were 2towers..
<6> Fr33Trade: oh come on, don't tell us you never heard of the WTC 7 collapse
<2> I have re look at all the old movies which showed 2 towers and tell hollywood to put the 5 other towers back in
<13> Fr33Trade: There was a shorter third building too.
<2> WTC7 ?
<6> Fr33Trade: you really should look up "WTC 7" before you go any further
<2> World Trade Center 7 ?
<13> Fr33Trade: But no airplane hit it and it was so short nobody really made a big deal out of it.
<2> Well Someone said THat Hollywood actors name
<2> Sheen
<2> And he wasnt talking about wt7
<13> Fr33Trade: It was severely damaged when the other buildings came down.
<2> He was talking about the 2 towers
<2> rRod, I should think so
<2> if Millions of tons of **** fell on me i would expect to be crushed
<2> Or however many tons
<13> Fr33Trade: I went to the WTC site a couple years ago. It's big. It was a big hole.
<14> how long will we try the diplomacy option with iran
<14> 10 years?
<2> MrRod, Because they excavated it
<13> Fr33Trade: Yes.
<9> the twin towers at the world trade center were pretty amazing. each floor was about an acre.
<2> Whent hey cleaned it up
<6> Fr33Trade: did you shoult "f*** bu$h and amerikkka"?
<2> The point is dumb **** who I had to remove for being an idiot
<6> oops, that was to mrrod
<2> He was arguing that fire did not cause the failure in the WTC1 and 2
<13> Fr33Trade: They debris was cleaned up. Actually, I had lunch in a third story restaurant across the street from it. Good view.
<14> they are still finding bone fragments
<14> on top of buildings
<2> MrRod, But the Sheen story has no followers in the engineering community which is mainstream, these are political nuts
<13> jismo: What are you trying to say?
<2> Conspiracy nuts
<6> huh?
<13> Fr33Trade: What is their theory?
<2> all the engineers understood exactly why the 2 big towers failed
<12> Fr33Trade: sheen was talking about wtc7
<12> maybe if you'd actually read the chat you wouldnt end up with your foot in your mouth
<2> withiin 2 weeks they were on the internet discussingit
<2> NO LITHIUM
<2> HE SAID THE PLANES
<12> no he didnt
<13> Fr33Trade: From what I read the impact didn't bring them down. It was the heat that caused the building structures to fail.
<12> go back and read the link
<2> HJe said the PLANES could nto have caused it to collapse like that
<2> and the fact is they COULD
<14> did the deutch bank get taken down?
<12> yes, wtc7's colllapse
<2> I dont have to go back anywhere, I heard sheens comments
<12> again, read his link
<11> 911 conspiracy debate is as irrelevant as gay and abortion talk
<13> Fr33Trade: If the planes had nearly empty fuel tanks then the buildings probably would not have collapsed.
<2> He said the airplanes could not of causes the twin towers to collapse the way they did it had to be a detonationa
<2> A HE IS WRONG
<14> i am curious about one thing
<2> B) IF HE WASNT WRONG FORENSIC EVIDENCE WOULD HAVE SURVIVED
<14> on sept 11 2001 it was impossible to make cell phone calls from the plane
<2> And they went over it with a FINE TOOTH COMB
<14> i remember before 9/11 i couldnt make cell phone calls from personal phones
<2> Good god
<2> Sheen is a ****ing nut
<2> End of conversatiopn
<15> that whole family is nuts
<2> Hes a goddamn nut and h doesnt knwo what he is talkign about
<2> I was responsing to MissLaveys ***ertion that Sheen was a nutcase, and these conspiracy theorists,
<2> I was agreeing with her
<16> nobody in hollywood does..yet the libs hold "actors" in the highest regard as political leaders :)
<13> Fr33Trade: Oh, the conspiracy theory that there were explosives in the building before the planes hit? That's just a conspiracy theory. The structural engineers pretty much consistently say it was the hot fire fueled by the aviation fuel that caused the buildings' internal structures to fail and collapse.
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