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<0> you want more? 4. right to raise your children, and decide how they will be educated. 5. right save for your own retirement
<1> wow, what spin
<1> lol
<2> panini: just keep regurgitating those talking points
<3> nharris: good - because I've left my fair share of jobs
<4> right to keep my own money? Someone ought to tell bush to stop spending it
<3> sometimes just walked out
<2> 'right to save for your own retirement'
<5> now if I pound someone upside the head for denting my car with his inept driving, and he HAPPENS to be gay, BAM.. 10 years in prison for a hate crime
<0> caspase-9, they aren't talking points
<2> what party is propsing i be able to do that ?
<3> I do not take bs
<2> what candidate or official is enacting policy that will serve my 'right ot save for my own retirement'
<0> caspase-9, um Bush proposed a far better retirement plan than we currently have
<2> how so ?
<6> ummmm, a hate crime is one commited specifically BECAUSE of what/who someone is, not cuz they drive like a dumb***
<6> I dunno where you got this from =x
<2> make me the middle cl*** pay for all the other middle cl***
<5> ummmm you're ummm wrong
<2> while the rich people take advantage of more money and more investing power
<0> carenot, because privatized social security is the best solution for retirement
<0> ooops, caspase-9
<1> panini: why didnt republicans vote for it then?
<2> if you think bush's retirement plan bodes well for everyone annd is the panacea to SSI
<2> well thats just nuts
<1> they have majorities in both houses
<7> hallo.
<0> caspase-9, correct it is
<2> i bet you think that any tom **** or joe could have made a killing on the google ipo or whateve ever other lucrative investment that comes along ?
<3> the canadian is back
<7> Swigert, what makes you think I'm Canadian?
<2> how does taking the heavy money out of ssi and allow it to go into more lucrative investments for that individual good for the people that use SSI as Insurance
<2> which is what it is
<3> malheur: #toronto
<2> its not a pension
<0> caspase-9, the problem is, even though the solution is so good, it takes a high level of intelligence to understand why. That effectively rules out all democrats
<7> Swigert, ...? and?
<2> ssi != your money to retire on
<7> Swigert, should I ***ume youre a politician?
<1> panini: why didnt republicans vote for it then?
<2> ssi == enough to live in a ****hole and not starve to death
<3> malheur: wrong
<6> Anyone who thinks we don't need a public education system probably wants to send their kids to some fanatical christian academy where they teach you the earth is 5000 yrs old and whatnot
<8> Malheu: Its no shame to be a Canadian...
<0> Lithium-, repubs do not have a supermajority
<7> Kesha, who said it is?
<3> it used to be under the previous regime
<1> panini: why did they need one?
<8> not me :-)
<5> who is this old school miscreant?
<7> Kesha, well, I'll never be ashamed of anything. ever. least of all an abstraction like nationality.
<8> well said, Malheur
<1> panini: why did they need one?
<7> Kesha, but, for the record, I was born in and live in Canada. ;)
<3> the previous Cdn gov't was so corrupt
<9> anyone who thinks public education is a necessity is probably a filthy communist
<8> thought so... :-)
<0> you need a supermajority to p*** ANY good law, like social security reform
<7> jismo, it's not a necessity. it's just a damned good idea to elevate the education of common people.
<7> the public university and schooling system has been around in the united states since, what, 1650?
<9> twobar?
<9> where is twobar?
<8> Malheur = bad luck, right?
<7> your good old boy jefferson was a huge advocate for public education.
<1> panini: there wasnt a filibuster threat, why didnt republicans ever bring it to the floor even?
<7> Kesha, it measn unfortunate, unhappy, etc. yeah.
<10> what a commie
<8> yep, same in German
<7> yeah, such a commie to want to elevate the education of a whole nation.
<11> Al Gore is the Real President.
<6> lol yeah, okay lets just have a stupid population
<6> thats good for the country
<10> i was being sarcastic
<7> Old, basically. it's called pragmatism.
<10> i don't think capitalism works well with education
<0> Lithium-, because democrats already killed it in the court of public opinion, duh
<2> the goal of ssi is to streamline the services offered
<7> it does. but who in their right mind would want to keep a few measly school tax dollars at the expense of an entire nation's education.
<0> they played the "starving old people" card again
<9> Malheur: uh, no. public education has not existed in its present for since 1650. learn some history
<2> not to turn it into a retirement fund
<10> can afford good education -> your kids get a good education. can't afford a good education -> your kids are screwed. it's antithetical to a meritocracy
<7> jismo, did i say "present form?"
<1> panini: ohh really? it was all democrats? lol
<7> jismo, it has existed, in some form, for almost 400 years in the united states.
<6> yeah, what a person pays for taxes is nothing compared to what they would pay for tuition at a priv school
<7> meritocracy is against everything the founding fathers intended.
<9> Malheur: and for much of that time, that 'form' bore no resemblance to what exists today
<2> the idea of being able to make private investments for ssi is nuts, if anything you might be looking at making it like insurance - but we haven't seen alot of success at private run insurance being a good bet either for the policy holders
<7> it results in, exactly, oligarchy and aristocracy.
<7> jismo, point being what?
<9> Malheur: US public education as it exists today dates back to the 1950s
<7> money != merit. sorry.
<2> i mean that is the most liberal nonsense i've ever heard - privatizing social security investments
<3> Chretien = 2nd worst cdn PM of all time
<7> jismo, who is arguing that point here?
<2> its not an investment, its an insurance premium
<8> Malheur: do you think that Yanks are less educated??
<7> Kesha, no.
<9> Malheur: my point being that appeal to history is a lame way to justify public education institutions now in existence
<7> Kesha, by-and-large they are the most educated people in the world.
<11> "Yanks" means Americans from the northern states
<7> jismo, you never said anything about now. you talked about public education in general. you were actually talking about an institution that existed long before either capitalism or socialism.
<8> Hm... i have different experiences
<9> I didn't talk about public education
<2> get a 401k or get a pension or talk about making those things more available and accessable in the workplace - do not spout this liberal neo-CON nonsense about how privatizing insurance is a good thing for the policy holders or that its a fair shake for the rich and poor alike
<6> erm, appeal to history nothing, it is a logical and necessary institution for a civilized society
<0> Lithium-, democrats push the cradle-to-grave nanny state... this promise is irresistible to society's deadbeats
<8> US-Male: I know... just call me Kraut :-)
<7> Kesha, youre experience is irrelevant in the face of facts to the contrary.
<11> heh
<7> Old :)
<2> panini
<8> I guess GI's are not representative, right
<2> ;you are pushing that idea with ssi as some golden goose to retire on
<7> americans, very quickly, became the most educated people in the world thanks to one thing: universal and mandatory public education.
<0> no, democrats push that
<2> its insurance plain and simple - gubment insurance
<11> plus we steal educated people from other nations
<2> panini: well you think about what your stance is and you tell me if its right or left
<0> i'm saying, correctly, that SSI is worthless
<7> the great agricultural and mechanical schools, the private schools like harvard, the vast numbers of public schools. it took a while to catch on, but its effects were incredible.
<2> ssi is important
<11> mostly we actually steal the people, then educate them
<7> US, "we?"
<2> but in a real sense of what it is
<2> insurance
<11> but mostly educated so some degree here in the US
<11> Malheur: yes, "we".
<7> US, who are you?
<7> the President?
<11> Malheur: I am "them".
<8> lol
<7> youre not.
<7> youre you.
<7> that's it.
<2> for disabled people and idiots that either didn't have the smarts or money to invest, or who had a disaster
<8> I`m too..
<2> i mean we've had ssi for a long long time
<11> Malheur: "we" indicates any group, of which I am part of.
<0> the *correct* solution is to eliminate the SSI entirely, and replace it with something that looks very much like our current 401ks and IRAs
<3> I invest my savings
<11> Malheur: sit down, I am going to educate you
<9> Malheur: americans are nowhere near as educated as they were in the early 20th century
<7> US, youre delusional. youre an american. not "america."
<2> do you want to pay the doctor bill for your sick *** aunt
<7> jismo, proof?
<2> just cause she is your sick *** aunt ?
<0> yes
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