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<0> By that I mean dont torture him but kill him and be open about it and put it on tv
<1> no they do not deserve the same rights as me
<0> and put his head at the city gates.
<2> panini, theyre about to go bankrupt the way things are headed
<0> People can become so civilized that they actually regress.
<1> they are not citizens, they are captured combantants
<0> I think people who argue the death penalty is immoral have regressed.
<3> findeton you can't have it both ways. either EVERYONE is given the same rights and tried under the same legal systems, or you make exceptions.
<3> you are making exceptions when its convenient for you
<2> Remember when that double decker plane was announced, all the anti american types came out of the wood work with crap like "See! We can even make better planes than Americans". Well whos laughing now
<3> and thats hypocritical.
<4> +lapointe, americans have their rights because they deserve them as humans. Just like anyone else of any other country: it doesn't matter that they don't have those rights now, they deserve those rights
<0> I think you can argue A) it may not be fair, or B) it isnt evenly applied or C) it may not fit the particular crime or D) it may ensnare innocent people.
<3> if tomorrow, 500,000 illegal immigrants come into spain, shoudl they be made instantaneous citizens?
<4> yes
<0> Those are all good arguments against the death penalty, but to say the death penalty is barbaric is absurd.
<3> and receive the same benefits as you, who have lived in spain for generations?
<1> lolol
<4> yes
<5> does freedom exist?
<0> Its barbaric to do nothing when great evil exists to pamper it and to mother it.
<1> they why have borders
<6> findeton, are you from spain?
<4> hutch, freedom exists as a concept
<0> Thats regression
<4> panini, yes
<1> do you KNOW how hard it is to get into Spain?
<0> Thats and extreme position
<4> i know the immigration problem
<1> try immigrating there
<0> and = an
<6> findeton do you know about your country's history?
<2> the fact youre in here talking about freedom shows that indeed it does exist
<6> findeton do you know about the invasions of the "Moros"?
<0> A united World against the most cruel dictatorships could easily stop them
<4> but it's not a problem of frontiers, its a problem about people starving there and people dying here because of obesity
<0> easily
<3> JanetB, when its an ETA bomber, its terrorism. when its an Al-Qaeda militant, its "a white dove of peace until proven otherwise."
<0> and probably without war.
<0> the simple standing on principle of the rest of the world would be enough.
<0> The threat of action
<3> findeton its a problem of you being a bleeding leftist who needs to look at the bigger picture.
<4> lapointe, i think you don't know enough of spanish politics
<1> lapointe, of coure al-qaeda are all victims!
<1> poor things
<6> findeton, eres, Basco?'
<3> and if you're so concerned about it, how about you put your money where your mouth is.
<3> go to africa, help out
<3> become a doctor, fight obesity
<0> But the reason it doesnt work and war is neccesary is because say Iran which germany france and the UK have been working on and we are related to it as is china and russia on the periphery..
<3> or whatever you think is the right thing to do
<4> panini, i'm from seville, in the south
<4> so, no
<0> When iran finally says NO and means it.. What will France Germany and the Uk do ?
<4> no soy vasco
<7> what a waste: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006-06-15T194957Z_01_N14240617_RTRUKOC_0_US-HOMEDEPOT-DRUGS.xml&src=rss
<0> Probably nothing which is why Iran will eventually say NO
<0> because they are predictable
<4> Freeisme, THE USA HAS SAID NO. the usa also has nuclear weapons
<3> Freeisme: they will send a threatening, grave, and dangerously serious letter of condemnation.
<1> and Iran should not have them
<0> if they all stood together with the USA and said hey, we 10-20 nations will remove the nukes if you dont.. They would suddenly listen or their people might push their bad people out of power.
<3> findeton thats the most absurd, and excuse me if i insult you, retarded argument ive ever heard.
<0> Noone has guts anymore, A war has to be won in a 2 hour movie slot.
<4> JanetB, it's the USA the one who shouldn't have those nukes... it's the only country who has ever dared to use them
<6> findeton, do you know the meaning of "EUSKAL PRESOAK EUSKAL HERRIRA"?
<0> The USA invented nuclear weapons in a race against the Germans who would of controlled the world if htey had them first so could have Russia.
<3> Iran is an NPT signatory findeton.
<1> findeton... and only when we were forced to... more would have died has we NOT used them
<3> they have an obligation to fulfil, and they ain't fulfillin it
<1> and yeah we should have them, we are not out to take over the world
<4> btw, believe me or not, but i'm just a normal spanish guy. The normal spanish person thinks like me, i think
<0> Ok Since the technology exists its right that the most freedom loving people in the world should be the guardian of the best nuclear weapons in the world.
<3> findeton thats because spain has no real problems, persay
<0> Findeton so you guys are socialists ?
<4> no
<3> your problems are marginal, with all due respect.
<4> socialdemocrats
<3> aka bleeding leftists
<6> same thing
<0> Well there economy was doing good when the capitalist was leader, then they elected the ****ing socialist coward who pulled out of Iraw.
<4> and you bleeding rightists
<4> ?
<0> Iraq
<6> no
<3> rightists dont bleed.
<3> and they don't make excuses
<1> we get things done
<0> I am rightwing liberal.
<0> Capitalist
<4> just as a matter of facts, your heart is on the left and your blood is red
<4> :p
<0> And humanitarian.
<4> hahaha
<6> my blood is green
<0> I believe we should stop genocide when its obvious and noone else will stop it
<6> (i'm Vulcan)
<4> i'm a leftie liberal (in the social sense). socialist, capitalists and humanitarian
<0> I believe we should have forces in Darfur.
<0> Stopping the Genodice and killing the people who are committing the acts of horror.
<3> findeton you're the kind of person who believes sudan should be sent "a strong letter of condemnation"
<3> thats your idea of a solution.
<3> and thats why leftists are pussies
<3> and cowards.
<1> findeton, it is people like you who allow people like saddam and bin ladden to exist and grow in power
<3> and thats why if there ever is a world war 3, spain will have to be liberated by US forces.
<0> I am not anti Arab or muslim but in Darfur the arabs and muslims are committing the worst atrocities.
<4> lapointe, id ont' know what the hell are you talking about
<0> Sudan is an evil evil muslim state which was formerly home to Bin laden
<1> lapointe, if we EVER have to go into spain.. I hope we say NO
<0> We should put them out of business.
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